The Gotham War: Batman vs. Catwoman Crossover

[Rac7d*]

So Bruce had access to behaviour modification and he used it on Jason?
Wasn't this the exact same thing that Robin did in TT with the inmates in his prison and wasn't Jason somehow behind that scheme? I can't quite recall but I do know that there was a panel where Damian and Jason are discussing the design of the underground prison.

Strange that Zardasky is once again giving us a plotline we've seen recently. Are there no new ideas left in creators minds?

Bruce doing this to Jason directly contradicts canon. He has been a victim of something similar no way would he do this. Then again Batman often engages in the thing's he supposed to fight and be against so ...

This crossover is just bad. The writing and characterizations are all over the place. Just awful.

Everyone forgets identity crisis

[Frontier]

Everyone forgets identity crisis

Ha, that's kind of a funny when you think about it .

[TheKryptonMan]

Everyone forgets identity crisis

I've been reading comics with my own money since 1992 .
Identity Crisis is the worst ever along with Cry for Justice and War Games !!!
I even got rid of all those books that I had .

[Bat-Meal]

I feel similar about this. I think Batman will have solitary adventures in the main book for a while.

Bruce will likely repair things with Damian in Batman and Robin, but he's likely going to be distant from the other Batfamily members.

Well, I doubt Jason will be forgiving him anytime soon since Bruce/Zur effectively de-fanged him.

I feel like Kate already exited stage left since she only appeared in #1 of the event to remind everyone she still exists, but hasn't been seen since (which seems like the sensible thing to do in retrospect).

And the rest of the Bat-Family have all had a turn at getting beat-up by Batman. Well, okay, not Babs and Damian.

[Zaresh]

Batman literally robbed Jason from any chances of defending himself against anything, besides other things. I know Jason can deal with it and find a way around, but damn if it isn't some really messed up direction they want for Batman, no matter if it's not really Bruce in there.

Also, not a fan of making Jason a victim again for the sake of drama. But, whatever.

[Rac7d*]

Batman literally robbed Jason from any chances of defending himself against anything, besides other things. I know Jason can deal with it and find a way around, but damn if it isn't some really messed up direction they want for Batman, no matter if it's not really Bruce in there.

Also, not a fan of making Jason a victim again for the sake of drama. But, whatever.

Can’t Zatanna miss Martian, lilth or Raven undo this easy?

[Jackalope89]

Can’t Zatanna miss Martian, lilth or Raven undo this easy?

They could have done that with "Ric" Grayson, but look how long that went on.

[thwhtGuardian]

Can’t Zatanna miss Martian, lilth or Raven undo this easy?

It'd be undone easier by other writers just pretending it didn't exist and moving on without mentioning it.

[Rac7d*]

It'd be undone easier by other writers just pretending it didn't exist and moving on without mentioning it.

It happened in Batman their most successful book the only one that cannot be ignored. At least Jason wasnt in the middle of his own story elsewhere and a writer has had thier own story totally chucked by this development. Perhaps his recovery mean DC has plans for Jason

[Jackalope89]

Everyone forgets identity crisis

And those that haven't, wish they could.

[Drako]

It'd be undone easier by other writers just pretending it didn't exist and moving on without mentioning it.

Well, Ric Grayson also started in the Batman book.
They could have tried something else with him tho, but instead choose to follow Lobdell and his the stupid idea of an amnesiac plot.

[Aahz]

Can’t Zatanna miss Martian, lilth or Raven undo this easy?

Maybe S'aru could make him just forget that it ever happend.

[phonogram12]

I don't think it always needs to go that far back, though.

I mean, people are complaining that something similar happened during Murderer/Fugitive (the Bat-Family turning against Batman because he's supposedly gone crazy) and that was over 20 years ago now.

[thwhtGuardian]

It happened in Batman their most successful book the only one that cannot be ignored. At least Jason wasnt in the middle of his own story elsewhere and a writer has had thier own story totally chucked by this development. Perhaps his recovery mean DC has plans for Jason

That doesn't really mean much, especially with how non-existent editors are these days.

[Frontier]

I mean, people are complaining that something similar happened during Murderer/Fugitive (the Bat-Family turning against Batman because he's supposedly gone crazy) and that was over 20 years ago now.

Yeah but there have been more recent examples now.