Would you be okay with a Spiderman World without Osborne?

**Toxin45** · 06-14-2023, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Chris0013

Not from the past...but going forward I would be fine. Leave Harry dead and Norman 'sinless' and bring back another <cough>Bart Hamilton<cough> as the the Green Goblin.

They did that in clone conspiracy and dropped him

**Toxin45** · 06-14-2023, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Celgress

Oh hell yeah. His time has come and gone.

You could say the same with ock

**Toxin45** · 06-14-2023, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Xenon

Green Goblin is the greatest Spider-Man villain of all time.

He should have stayed dead.

I even like some of the stories post clone saga with nuNorman, but I don't need him. It's ok for a villain's arc to just be done. They all suffer from villain decay. So the serious ones have a shelf life. If Norman goes away, while I hope it'll be a good going away, I'm totally fine with it.

This happens with every villain in comics bro they can undo villain decay sometimes

**PCN24454** · 06-14-2023, 07:45 AM

Why stop at Osborn? Why don’t we retire all of his classic villains? It would actually make his time as Spider-Man meaningful.

**Frontier** · 06-14-2023, 07:56 AM

He's Spider-Man's Archenemy but I don't think he needs to be omnipresent in every run.

**Triniking1234** · 06-14-2023, 07:59 AM

MCU replaced Osborn with Stark.

Also we can't have Hobgoblin without Osborn so unfortunately Osborn has to stay.

**Triniking1234** · 06-14-2023, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by PCN24454

Why stop at Osborn? Why don’t we retire all of his classic villains? It would actually make his time as Spider-Man meaningful.

Kraven should've stayed dead and they should've just picked one of his offspring and stuck with it.
Ditch Chameleon.
Sandman should've stayed a hero.

**Lee** · 06-14-2023, 11:39 AM

It depends on the context. They could do a series of movies or video games without Osborn. But if it's something with dozens of stories, such as a TV series, it would be strange to omit him. He wouldn't have to be in season 1, but his absence would be felt if he hasn't appeared by episode 53.

**clonegeek** · 06-14-2023, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Triniking1234

Kraven should've stayed dead and they should've just picked one of his offspring and stuck with it.
Ditch Chameleon.
Sandman should've stayed a hero.

Have Vulture just be the last member standing of the classic rouges outside of people like the Looter of course.

**babyblob** · 06-14-2023, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Triniking1234

MCU replaced Osborn with Stark.

Also we can't have Hobgoblin without Osborn so unfortunately Osborn has to stay.

Spiderman the Animated Series had The Hobgoblin first and Green Goblin after. You can for sure do Hobgoblin without Green Goblin. Yes he would be linked to Osborn in some way but you wouldnt need Osborn to be the big bad or Green Goblin to get Hobby.

**Toxin45** · 06-14-2023, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by babyblob

Spiderman the Animated Series had The Hobgoblin first and Green Goblin after. You can for sure do Hobgoblin without Green Goblin. Yes he would be linked to Osborn in some way but you wouldnt need Osborn to be the big bad or Green Goblin to get Hobby.

Nah not worth the effort besides we had more than enough of doc ock in the past years and kingpin is daredevil’s archenemy. Hobgoblin became less notable now after the 90’s,and then there are the inheritors yeah.

**PCN24454** · 06-14-2023, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Toxin45

Nah not worth the effort besides we had more than enough of doc ock in the past years and kingpin is daredevil’s archenemy. Hobgoblin became less notable now after the 90’s,and then there are the inheritors yeah.

I think that it’s toxic to be so beholden to any one villain. Especially since Osborn isn’t actually that important. He might’ve killed Gwen but that didn’t really change the landscape of the comics. It just made Peter sad for a period time.

**Toxin45** · 06-14-2023, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by PCN24454

I think that it’s toxic to be so beholden to any one villain. Especially since Osborn isn’t actually that important. He might’ve killed Gwen but that didn’t really change the landscape of the comics. It just made Peter sad for a period time.

Then Norman came back in the90’s and gives Peter some more grief.
Like writers has brought back many villains in the past and used them most of the time they become more important in most runs.

Besides new comic book villains don’t always catch on.

**SpideyClone** · 06-14-2023, 05:11 PM

No, the character has too much history. It would be like getting rid of Lex Luthor for Superman. Sure there are others, but only one (maybe Otto too) gets under Spidey's skin as Norman does. That said, as others have noted, he has gotten a lot of exposure over the years to the point where you almost roll your eyes every time he shows up. I think the current incarnation of "sinless" Norman has some legs to it. It harkens back to Spidey's early years, when Norman and the Goblin were more of a dichotomy.

I'd like to see this take on Norman last a while, and have the Goblin as a separate entity who vexes Peter and Norman and leaving you wondering who and how they'll come back again.

**TheKryptonMan** · 06-14-2023, 08:29 PM

I would like to see this version of Norman stick around for a while . But at the same time we could have him struggle to stay on the good side.
Norman is to Peter what Luthor is to Superman IMO .
But it would be cool to see another Green Goblin to show up and even Norman not know how to stop him, or Spider-Man .

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