Why can't some Marvel heroes become Avengers?

[GAP]

Whether it is Wolverine, Spider Man or Moon Knight, why can't some Marvel heroes become Avengers?

[ARkadelphia]

Whether it is Wolverine, Spider Man or Moon Knight, why can't some Marvel heroes become Avengers?

All 3 have been avengers

[K7P5V]

Whether it is Wolverine, Spider Man or Moon Knight, why can't some Marvel heroes become Avengers?

LOL! You're better off asking why Eddie Brock (Venom), Remy LeBeau (Gambit) or Frank Castle (The Punisher) can't become Avengers...

[Photon Torme]

Yeaaaah. Just about everybody gets to be an Avenger. Once upon a time there was a big deal about The Avengers being an elite group. I remember especially a panel back in the Avengers Defenders event back in the seventies about how there have only been 14 Avengers. I miss the days when they were an elite Corp.If you’re familiar with my other posts on here, You might find that odd coming from me given how often I post in the Pick your Own Avengers dream roster thread. In fact, I used to post so often over there that several of our other members were driven mad and are now residing at Arkham. What’s Marvel to do? How would they ever keep the book Fresh without frequently adding new recruits? Maybe have a main set roster of up to 9 or 10 and then have a half dozen or so reservists to play substitute?

[LordMikel]

LOL! You're better off asking why Eddie Brock (Venom), Remy LeBeau (Gambit) or Frank Castle (The Punisher) can't become Avengers...

Venom and Punisher have both been Avengers.

[Digifiend]

Venom has, but it wasn't Eddie Brock, it was Mac Gargan, the Scorpion, as Dark Spider-Man in Dark Avengers.

[Chris0013]

Venom has, but it wasn't Eddie Brock, it was Mac Gargan, the Scorpion, as Dark Spider-Man in Dark Avengers.

and Flash as Agent Venom in Secret Avengers. Recruited by Steve Rogers.


I don't think Avengers membership needs to be this nearly unattainable holy grail of superherodom...but they do need to put in their dues and be established heroes before they get membership. Like the situation with Justice and Firestar. They both had long histories in the comics as heroes before they joined.

[ComicNoobie]

and Flash as Agent Venom in Secret Avengers. Recruited by Steve Rogers.


I don't think Avengers membership needs to be this nearly unattainable holy grail of superherodom...but they do need to put in their dues and be established heroes before they get membership. Like the situation with Justice and Firestar. They both had long histories in the comics as heroes before they joined.

This. The Avengers title should be something a hero can obtain after they put in the work and establish themselves as a name. It shouldn't be a ceiling the average hero can never reach. One of my issues during All New All Different era was how nonchalant members were added. Justice and Firestar are a prime examples of earning that Avengers rank. They also need to clarify what they allow. In one era they don't allow kids/teens then they suddenly do, but now they don't again. Did the Avengers harass Kamala and Miles parents like they did the YA? And then Hawkeye talks about not working with killers but Wolverine has membership and to my understanding was brought on to prevent another Scarlet Witch incident. I know different writers add their own rules but this has made Avengers membership so contradictory.

It wouldn't hurt to bring back a "Avengers Academy" and rebrand it for training potential Avenger cadets and give them a chance to graduate onto the team. A Avengers B-squad if you will.

[Alan2099]

This. The Avengers title should be something a hero can obtain after they put in the work and establish themselves as a name. It shouldn't be a ceiling the average hero can never reach. One of my issues during All New All Different era was how nonchalant members were added. Justice and Firestar are a prime examples of earning that Avengers rank. They also need to clarify what they allow. In one era they don't allow kids/teens then they suddenly do, but now they don't again. Did the Avengers harass Kamala and Miles parents like they did the YA? And then Hawkeye talks about not working with killers but Wolverine has membership and to my understanding was brought on to prevent another Scarlet Witch incident. I know different writers add their own rules but this has made Avengers membership so contradictory.

It wouldn't hurt to bring back a "Avengers Academy" and rebrand it for training potential Avenger cadets and give them a chance to graduate onto the team. A Avengers B-squad if you will.

I would love to have an issue that's just the Avengers sitting down, and re-establishing their charter and by-laws and discussing them. They also need to address all these other Avengers spin-off teams that never really got approval.

[Chris0013]

I would love to have an issue that's just the Avengers sitting down, and re-establishing their charter and by-laws and discussing them. They also need to address all these other Avengers spin-off teams that never really got approval.

And put out a revision to the Charter.

[LordMikel]

Venom has, but it wasn't Eddie Brock, it was Mac Gargan, the Scorpion, as Dark Spider-Man in Dark Avengers.

Savage Avengers had Eddie. But I forgot about the other two.

[mugiwara]

Depends of what counts as official Avengers. Should the Savage Avengers, or the Avengers Resistance from Dark Reign era, or Osborn's Dark Avengers be considered as Avengers?

[Digifiend]

This. The Avengers title should be something a hero can obtain after they put in the work and establish themselves as a name. It shouldn't be a ceiling the average hero can never reach. One of my issues during All New All Different era was how nonchalant members were added. Justice and Firestar are a prime examples of earning that Avengers rank. They also need to clarify what they allow. In one era they don't allow kids/teens then they suddenly do, but now they don't again. Did the Avengers harass Kamala and Miles parents like they did the YA?

They didn't even know their secret identities. Ms. Marvel, Spider-Man, Nova and Thor all had secret identities and they were never revealed to the team.

[MichaelC]

To me, the Avengers are just whoever Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor can draft to save the world from the latest invasion or whatever.

The perfect defining Avengers moment, to me, is when Iron Man does a little knighting ceremony to Spider-Man in "Infinity War", and it's obvious that Stark isn't taking it seriously, whereas Parker is deeply honored.

Any reputation the Avengers have for being the elite of the elite is little more than a combination of Captain America's public reputation, Stark's marketing department, and Thor literally having been worshiped for centuries. The Big Three know that they are just drafting whoever they can when the world is in danger, but if it makes the public more calm to think of the Avengers as the best of the best, they aren't going to disabuse them of the notion.

[babyblob]

I remember an issue where before Namor becomes a hero that he was asked to be an Avenger when the original Avengers took their first break. In the Caps kooky quartet era. He declined them but talked about what an honor it was just to be asked. I miss those days. Some times the Avengers are like a Whos Who of Who is that?

I remember Daredevil said he couldnt be an Avenger because all the people so close to him over loaded his senses. I am not sure if that is the case or if he joined later. I know he teamed up with them a few times.