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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    I'm curious. How many issues are we supposed to say USM is in its "new hotness" stage?
    Since it's monthly, probably at least 5. It was incredibly hyped, and people want to see what is actually going on. Hickman's X-Men books, fresh off of HOXPOX, went as follows (on ComicChron, so this is sales to store, which we know is a bit different):

    X-Men 1: 255K
    X-Men 2: 117K
    X-Men 3: 103K
    X-Men 4: 93K
    X-Men 5: 80K (shipped twice that month)
    X-Men 6: 92K
    X-Men 7: 76K (shipped twice)
    X-Men 8: 75K
    X-Men 9: 70K (shipped twice)

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    Huge, unsustainably large first issue sales, still very high through issue 3, then it started slowly finding its level by the fifth or sixth month. I'm sure the same general pattern exists for USM, although the levels might be vastly different. At a guess, I'd say ASM is selling somewhere around 50-70K right now, which would imply USM 3 is between 110-155K. Very, very good, and will still be selling quite well even if it has another ~30% attrition in the next two months.
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    Granted we don't have numbers, but if USM #3 is doubling up ASM which is the best selling Marvel comic it has to be doing much better numbers than his X-Men run so far based on the above unless comic sales are much worse than I would have guessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifetap View Post
    Granted we don't have numbers, but if USM #3 is doubling up ASM which is the best selling Marvel comic it has to be doing much better numbers than his X-Men run so far based on the above unless comic sales are much worse than I would have guessed.
    No they are not.

    What is probably happening is fewer extra copies are being ordered.

    Those extra copies are the ones we see on shelves months later to attract new readers.

    So if you order say 50 copies and sell 47. You might change your order to 60 issues then over time you stay n selling only 52 issues a month and no new readers. So you cut your order down to 55.

    It's not the fact they the book isn't selling it's you don't need that many extra copies taking up shelf space.

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    https://icv2.com/articles/markets/vi...ics-march-2024

    ICV2's March 2024 Sales Chart. Please note that these charts are heavily flawed, yadda, yadda, yadda.

    Units

    2 Ultimate Spider-Man #3
    4 Spectacular Spider-Men #1
    7 Amazing Spider-Man #45
    16 Web of Spider-Man #1
    21 Amazing Spider-Man #46
    24 Ultimate Spider-Man #2
    29 Symbiote Spider-Man 2099 #1 (Of 5)
    31 Venom #31
    35 Miles Morales Spider-Man #18
    39 Ultimate Spider-Man #1
    41 What If...? Venom #2
    42 Edge of Spider-Verse (2024) #2
    50 Jackpot & Black Cat #1

    Dollars

    3 Ultimate Spider-Man #3
    4 Spectacular Spider-Men #1
    5 Web of Spider-Man #1
    7 Amazing Spider-Man #45
    8 Miles Morales Spider-Man #18
    20 Amazing Spider-Man #46
    23 Ultimate Spider-Man #2
    28 Ultimate Spider-Man #1
    29 Symbiote Spider-Man 2099 #1 (Of 5)
    37 Giant-Size Spider-Gwen #1
    40 What If...? Venom #2
    41 Edge of Spider-Verse (2024) #2
    42 Venom #31
    49 Jackpot & Black Cat #1

    Edit: (If I missed anything in either top 50, let me know.)
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    Amazing, Miles , and Venom continue to be healthy. USM continues to kill. Oneshots /specials/mini/#1 also are doing decent. Spectacular especially had a good start

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    Miles not in the top 25 for the last three issues. It seems like Gang War really did help out for a bit.

    I'm not really sure what to think of #18's rank. It was more expensive than normal. Would it have faired better if it were a normal issue?

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    Ultimate X-men #1 lands atop of USM.

    Of course, it is the first issue.

    But will folks here start considering that Marvel is "leaving money on the table" with the 616 X-men book?

    Maybe there is a married couple in UXM that's making it successful?

    Or it could be the strength of restarting a previous successful line under the Ultimate branding with outstanding creative teams attached.

    Things that make you go hmmmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wleakr View Post
    Ultimate X-men #1 lands atop of USM.

    Of course, it is the first issue.

    But will folks here start considering that Marvel is "leaving money on the table" with the 616 X-men book?

    Maybe there is a married couple in UXM that's making it successful?

    Or it could be the strength of restarting a previous successful line under the Ultimate branding with outstanding creative teams attached.

    Things that make you go hmmmm....
    Well if you want to do a breakdown. The x-books are currently in flux as it's about to end an era and do a full relaunch soon. So technically yes it not leaving money on the table as that would depend on how the new era starts off which is suspected to sell well at first due to it getting a bunch of new books on the shelves. But ultimately the question will be how long can it sustain success for all the new books? Could depend on who the teams for the other books are. Also how many people in the X books. Not ultimate are married? Doesn't make you go hmmm because it's not a question really, but we thank you for you input.

    Moving on Unlimited X-men came out earlier in the month and makes sense for it to get the top spot. While USM -3 came out at the end of the month and still got the second spot which is impressive, but ASM 46 didn't and was far behind and it came out on the same day. That is as people say somewhere . You're leaving some money on the table

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercwmouth12 View Post
    Moving on Unlimited X-men came out earlier in the month and makes sense for it to get the top spot. While USM -3 came out at the end of the month and still got the second spot which is impressive, but ASM 46 didn't and was far behind and it came out on the same day. That is as people say somewhere . You're leaving some money on the table
    UXM and X-men #32 came out same day. X-men 32 is several places behind UXM.

    Money left on the table?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wleakr View Post
    UXM and X-men #32 came out same day. X-men 32 is several places behind UXM.

    Money left on the table?
    Why couldn't ASM 46 get into the top 5? X-Men is a also ending soon so the market isn't too happy with that ending but you'll get something big market wise from the last Krakoa issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercwmouth12 View Post
    Why couldn't ASM 46 get into the top 5? X-Men is a also ending soon so the market isn't too happy with that ending but you'll get something big market wise from the last Krakoa issue
    Why couldn't Xmen 32 get into the top 5?

    There are a lot of great books out there all competing against each other. They can't ALL be in the top 5, 10, 25 or 50.

    And in ASM, the Green Goblin is potentially coming - that will probably be a nice market boost for ASM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wleakr View Post
    Ultimate X-men #1 lands atop of USM.

    Of course, it is the first issue.

    But will folks here start considering that Marvel is "leaving money on the table" with the 616 X-men book?

    Maybe there is a married couple in UXM that's making it successful?

    Or it could be the strength of restarting a previous successful line under the Ultimate branding with outstanding creative teams attached.

    Things that make you go hmmmm....
    I’d argue that the massive success of USM probably helped create hype for the rest of the Ultimate universe books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wleakr View Post
    Why couldn't Xmen 32 get into the top 5?

    There are a lot of great books out there all competing against each other. They can't ALL be in the top 5, 10, 25 or 50.

    And in ASM, the Green Goblin is potentially coming - that will probably be a nice market boost for ASM.
    They've marketed his last several returns. There's been nothing so far this time except a trust me bro approach about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by wleakr View Post
    UXM and X-men #32 came out same day. X-men 32 is several places behind UXM.

    Money left on the table?
    X-Men 32 is at the 11th spot. 10 places behind Ultimate X-men which is a #1. Meanwhile, ASM 46 is at the 21st Spot. 19 spaces behind USM # 3.

    According to Bleeding Cool's analysis, USM is also outselling ASM by a slightly larger margin than UXM compared to x-men. UXM came out during the first week of the month, while USM the last week. If ASM 45 (which came out two weeks prior to USM) took the 7th spot compared to X-Men's 11, it's likely that USM #3 could outsell UXM when all is said and done.

    If I had to estimate based on the bleeding cool ratios: let's say Amazing is selling around 70k (I think that would be a generous estimate in this market), x-men might be somewhere around the 50k-60k range. USM #3 would have sold somewhere in the 130k-150k range and UXM # 1 would have sold somewhere in the 110k-130k range. USM #1, by all accounts, likely did a hell of a lot better than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by wleakr View Post
    Ultimate X-men #1 lands atop of USM.

    Of course, it is the first issue.

    But will folks here start considering that Marvel is "leaving money on the table" with the 616 X-men book?

    Maybe there is a married couple in UXM that's making it successful?

    Or it could be the strength of restarting a previous successful line under the Ultimate branding with outstanding creative teams attached.

    Things that make you go hmmmm....
    Or perhaps readers brought in by USM also decided to check out its sister line? Who knows.
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    Think there's a big issue with using irrelevant data points to bait people. Doesn't seem to be in good spirit and honest.

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