Will Near Extinction Always Be The X-Men's Status Quo?

[charliehustle415]

It will always be about a minority that is hated and feared and them to trying and prove they are heroes.

It will not always about that extinction, but they will always have radicals who want them out of the picture.

Basically, just like the real world many people want gays to rot in hell and colored people have always been treated different and some radicals will do their best to make/keep that real.

So to my point of view, it is quite a realistic showing of how some people can be when their darkest side rules and what the consequences are for the others.

True, but Mutant's have face "real" decimation where at one point there were only 198 mutants on the planet, then they nearly died because of the Terrigen mist, Arrako got decimated because of an event, and now this.

No, we would have hated The Empire Strike Back if this was the only Star Wars told every month for the better part of 20 years.

Yeah and if every 3 movies Empire was remade again and again.

[Sutekh]

As long as misery porn about feared-and-hated genocide stuff sells, they will continue to peddle it. As long as the x-offices are convinced that we, the x-fans, are addicted to the persecution compleX and want to wallow in stories about oppression and race-hate, they'll keep on doing it.

[charliehustle415]

No, I think that's still "The Mansion"

Status quo is: X-Men are fighting for the world that hates and fears them; be it bigots, or more militant mutants that take the x-men for race traitors. "The mansion" has repeated itself in Whedon's run, Aaron's run, Bendis's run, Guggenheim's run. That's still the mean.

Taking it as status quo, we can chart the two furthermost positions from it: Mutant heaven (House of M universe, X Corp, Utopia, Age of X-Man, Krakoa) and Mutant Hell (DOFP, Age of Apocalypse, Decimation, Age of X, Fall of X). These are aberrant states. Not uninteresting states, and even sustainable ones, but certainly not the meat and potatoes stuff.

We've been on Krakoa for a while, enough to forget that it is radical, as far as X-Men are concerned. And yes, by needs of drama, a whole society of mutants must face something worthy of a society in terms of challenge. (ie an exodus, invasion, genocide, etc.) That's how we wound up with several kaijus attacking Krakoa--how else do you threaten an island?

Sure, but the Mansion status quo hasn't been around for a very long time, I believe the last time was Aaron's run.

And yes Krakoa is radical, but so was the era right before it, I mean Mutants living in Limbo and on the run, and the status before that as well.

I feel like we're at a pivot point where more people will remember the X-Men as an extinction team as opposed to the mutants getting up to hijinks at the Mansion or in Australia playing baseball.

[MaximoffTrash]

Unfortunately it probably will. I don't think today's writers know any different than to portray baseline humanity as 90-95% homicidal, anti-mutant racists. And that other 5-10% aren't really portrayed as pro-mutant...just as they don't care one way or another. We need writers who can get into better, more nuanced and complex story telling. We need to see that pendulum of anti-mutant hate swing the other way for a good long while with the majority not caring about if someone is a mutant or not.



I disagree with this...it should NOT be about always being hated and feared. X-Factor...after the Fall of The Mutants story line were considered heroes. The X-Men in the same story line were believed to have died as heroes protecting the world.

I have said any times WoTR could have been a turning point for mutant/human relations by making the mutants still on Earth and not in the Age of X-Man reality more prominent and fighting alongside the Avengers and others against the invaders instead of isolating them to a single small area of NYC.

What feels weird to me is that generall far-right and Fascist groups don't need majority support to cause severe damavge.
You don't need to make the majority of humans/regular civilians to be insane bigots to explain the mutant plight. All it takes is for the rich and powerful to offer funds and platform to drive hate campains. (Cough, Elon Musk)

[Alex_Of_X]

Sure, but the Mansion status quo hasn't been around for a very long time, I believe the last time was Aaron's run.

And yes Krakoa is radical, but so was the era right before it, I mean Mutants living in Limbo and on the run, and the status before that as well.

I feel like we're at a pivot point where more people will remember the X-Men as an extinction team as opposed to the mutants getting up to hijinks at the Mansion or in Australia playing baseball.

Guggs's X-Men was 2017-2018, I believe. The one that started off with an anti-semmitic scare. Mansion right in central park! Right before X-Men: Disassembled.

[Triniking1234]

You guys would have hated The Empire Strike Back

Empire Strikes Back was the second act of a complete story so this made no sense.

[useridgoeshere]

There are a lot more stories to tell about minorities than just the struggle and being victims. While Krakoa hasn't lived up to its potential due to the editor and writers inability to embrace it, it felt fresh at the start in comparison to Fall, which feels like a regressive cliche.

I do think the whole idea of "fights for a world that fears and hate them" is a dated concept grounded in a past assimilation era where the idea was minorities are "less than" and have to prove themselves to earn acceptance. When I started reading X-books 40 years ago, it sounded fine but I'm over that in 2023. For example, the Astonishing Iceman preview was felt so old and out-of-touch to me.

[skyvolt2000]

Empire Strikes Back was the second act of a complete story so this made no sense.

Say this again for the folks in the back.

There are a lot more stories to tell about minorities than just the struggle and being victims.

And the problem we have is we got folks in CHARGE who have ZERO issue funding those stories.
Folks in charge who have ZERO issue PROMOTING those stories.
Folks in charge who have ZERO issues HIRING folks to tell those stories.

Because the folks in charge ASSUME you are so desperate for content you are going to accept it.

It's why we got the last 8 years of Black Panther.
It's why we got the last 23 years of Loser Peter Parker.
It's why Cyborg can never move from man versus machine or my Daddy HATES me stories.

This isn’t even the worse thing that’s ever happened to the X-Men and your already checking out. Were you an x-fan before the Krakoa era. Like 80s through 2010s?

People are tired of this mess. They are tired of certain mutants being showcased and getting development and others are in the back until it's time for death fodder. What was done to Jubliee and those guys-that is what turns off folks. And those folks don't come back.

DC learned that the hard way and are still suffering from it.

[Will Evans]

Well your loss then.
I’m interested in the story of the mutants coming back from this and giving Orchis comeuppance.

I can’t believe in a story between good vs evil, you guys are sensitive Sally’s at the bad guys taking some wins before the good guys rally against them.
Hell, we’re in an era of The Five are capable of resurrection, and you guys act like we’ll never see those murdered here ever again.

[charliehustle415]

Guggs's X-Men was 2017-2018, I believe. The one that started off with an anti-semmitic scare. Mansion right in central park! Right before X-Men: Disassembled.

Dang didn't even realize, since I skipped that run

[charliehustle415]

Well your loss then.
I’m interested in the story of the mutants coming back from this and giving Orchis comeuppance.

I can’t believe in a story between good vs evil, you guys are sensitive Sally’s at the bad guys taking some wins before the good guys rally against them.
Hell, we’re in an era of The Five are capable of resurrection, and you guys act like we’ll never see those murdered here ever again.

I don't think that's the case at all, I think it's that this is a story trope that's been told to death.

[Will Evans]

I don't think that's the case at all, I think it's that this is a story trope that's been told to death.

Well for all the people reading since the Krakoa era started, with seeing on page the build up threat of Orchis to all of this, and still didn’t think this could happen. I don’t know what to tell you. Comics may not for you then.

[charliehustle415]

Well for all the people reading since the Krakoa era started, with seeing on page the build up threat of Orchis to all of this, and still didn’t think this could happen. I don’t know what to tell you. Comics may not for you then.

It's like if movies still had the plot of a villain tying up a dame to the tracks.

The X-Men used to have different kinds of stories, it wasn't just Sentinels murdering them because ORCHIS is still that Sentinels attacking Mutants.

They used to go off into space, other dimensions, have epic love stories, have noir detective stories, fight ninjas, and go to the mall.

[Devaishwarya]

I'm tired if the Decimation Porn. I mentally checked out of FoX. And will wait to see what 2024 brings. But JDW and Co. really need a new interesting direction/end goal for mutants.
Hated and feared will always be their schtick (which is tiresome as it is) but enough of the "Kill All Mutants!" every four fucking years

[Chris0013]

It's like if movies still had the plot of a villain tying up a dame to the tracks.

The X-Men used to have different kinds of stories, it wasn't just Sentinels murdering them because ORCHIS is still that Sentinels attacking Mutants.

They used to go off into space, other dimensions, have epic love stories, have noir detective stories, fight ninjas, and go to the mall.

Or even interact with normal people. I remember a story in X-Men Vol 1 210. Rogue saves a window washer from falling to her death...and later when some anti-mutant bigot starts making some nasty comments the window washer shows up and defends her. These are the days I want to get back to when there were normal people who were not anti mutant.