Will Near Extinction Always Be The X-Men's Status Quo?

[MaximoffTrash]

Yeah, 'first they came for the mutants.'

And if humanity can be so easily turned against the mutants, who are almost always *family members* of humans, their own children, siblings, etc. what chance are aliens or extra-dimensional sorts or other races living on Earth (Magma men, Atlanteans, Inhumans), or 'gods' or magical folk going to have?

Magicians would seem to have it worse than most, since many of them are just normal folk who *chose* this life of blasphemy and witchcraft and consorting with demons (like Dr. Strange or Dr. Voodoo), not people who were 'born this way' and never chose to be aliens or whatever. If one person in fifty are outside of the Xavier Academy hooting and hollering and telling them 'mutants go home' the other 49 would be outside Strange Academy with pitchforks and burning effigies...

And the only reason they're not? Editorial doesn't think Dr. Strange fans want misery porn, and *does* think that X-fans want 'hate and fear' and to nurse a never-ending persecution compleX.

Speaking of which, did Kurt interact with any of those mystical heroes with actual demonic heritage. Like Hellstrom siblings
Would be some dark humor material for Kurt to be constantly called an nonehuman demon spawn when there are actual demon spawns casually running around.

[ARkadelphia]

That's not true. They occured precisely because mutants were NOT going extinct. If you will it was even a consequence of non-extinction. That was the whole point of the era.
We had I would say one extinction level story before Fall, A.X.E.

Plant people, ninjas, aliens,deamons random generally interchangeable comics enemies depending of the geography.

You mean last year’s major event?

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

Yeah, 'first they came for the mutants.'

And if humanity can be so easily turned against the mutants, who are almost always *family members* of humans, their own children, siblings, etc. what chance are aliens or extra-dimensional sorts or other races living on Earth (Magma men, Atlanteans, Inhumans), or 'gods' or magical folk going to have?

Magicians would seem to have it worse than most, since many of them are just normal folk who *chose* this life of blasphemy and witchcraft and consorting with demons (like Dr. Strange or Dr. Voodoo), not people who were 'born this way' and never chose to be aliens or whatever. If one person in fifty are outside of the Xavier Academy hooting and hollering and telling them 'mutants go home' the other 49 would be outside Strange Academy with pitchforks and burning effigies...

And the only reason they're not? Editorial doesn't think Dr. Strange fans want misery porn, and *does* think that X-fans want 'hate and fear' and to nurse a never-ending persecution compleX.

They've done "all superhumans should go away" stories.

Besides that, I just don't personally care to have the X-Men focus on basic Avengers stories.

[marhawkman]

Speaking of which, did Kurt interact with any of those mystical heroes with actual demonic heritage. Like Hellstrom siblings
Would be some dark humor material for Kurt to be constantly called an nonehuman demon spawn when there are actual demon spawns casually running around.

Or those chicks Deadpool hangs out with....

why are there so many demons living in New York? not even half-human... purebloods. If you read Jenny's backstory... she works in the tech industry!!!! A succubus, but with a desk job!

Um... yeah.... Jenny just turns into a Human and pretends she's not a demon. then goes and does normal Human stuff like a normal Human....

[Souther]

No, but there has been some pushing and pulling. It's necessary for storytelling purposes.

Hickman gave the X-Men and mutants in general some big wins, but even he was implying they would start to face losses eventually.

You can't have tension and drama if mutants are always on top of the world and defeating everyone who opposes them.

That's the cycle of mainstream superhero comics. They have to rise and fall. We've had too much rising and too little falling on Krakoa until recently.

[Nicoclaws]

You mean last year’s major event?

You know what ? You're right. My bad here. I remembered A.X.E. as like 2-3 months, and it went from july to november XD. I liked it but gods this is long.

[Huntsman Spider]

Yeah, 'first they came for the mutants.'

And if humanity can be so easily turned against the mutants, who are almost always *family members* of humans, their own children, siblings, etc. what chance are aliens or extra-dimensional sorts or other races living on Earth (Magma men, Atlanteans, Inhumans), or 'gods' or magical folk going to have?

Magicians would seem to have it worse than most, since many of them are just normal folk who *chose* this life of blasphemy and witchcraft and consorting with demons (like Dr. Strange or Dr. Voodoo), not people who were 'born this way' and never chose to be aliens or whatever. If one person in fifty are outside of the Xavier Academy hooting and hollering and telling them 'mutants go home' the other 49 would be outside Strange Academy with pitchforks and burning effigies...

And the only reason they're not? Editorial doesn't think Dr. Strange fans want misery porn, and *does* think that X-fans want 'hate and fear' and to nurse a never-ending persecution compleX.

Indeed, though speaking of unending misery porn . . . Marvel's editorial office seems just as convinced that Spider-Man is at his best when constantly miserable and suffering as that the X-Men are at their best with their backs up against the wall, beset on all sides by genocidal bigotry and with no viable allies or escape avenues in sight for them.

Oh and in some futures there is the threat of gamma mutants overwhelming the normies due to being a hereditary trait. Yeah, hundreds of mini-Hulks... sounds fun.

Uh-huh. Real fun.

[charliehustle415]

Indeed, though speaking of unending misery porn . . . Marvel's editorial office seems just as convinced that Spider-Man is at his best when constantly miserable and suffering as that the X-Men are at their best with their backs up against the wall, beset on all sides by genocidal bigotry and with no viable allies or escape avenues in sight for them.



Uh-huh. Real fun.

I wonder if we have entered the Marvel Age of Dark Knight Returns

[Huntsman Spider]

I wonder if we have entered the Marvel Age of Dark Knight Returns

You mean when comics leaned too heavily into grimdark for a good while because all the critical acclaim Dark Knight Returns (and Watchmen) got convinced them that was how superheroes should be depicted from then on? I mean, yeah, "True Art Is Angsty" and all that, but if there isn't even a semblance or glimmer of hope that things can and will get better in the future . . . what even is the point of being invested?

[charliehustle415]

You mean when comics leaned too heavily into grimdark for a good while because all the critical acclaim Dark Knight Returns (and Watchmen) got convinced them that was how superheroes should be depicted from then on? I mean, yeah, "True Art Is Angsty" and all that, but if there isn't even a semblance or glimmer of hope that things can and will get better in the future . . . what even is the point of being invested?

I would say, ask a Spidey fan

but, I do think this is where Marvel may be going.

There are so many runs ending with "deaths" and status quo changes.

[Alan2099]

But if you're not trying to genocide the X-men, then what excuse will you use to have absolutely every mutant character move to and live in the same place?

[Huntsman Spider]

I would say, ask a Spidey fan

but, I do think this is where Marvel may be going.

There are so many runs ending with "deaths" and status quo changes.

As a Spidey fan myself, yeah.

But if you're not trying to genocide the X-men, then what excuse will you use to have absolutely every mutant character move to and live in the same place?

Point.

[Alex_Of_X]

I wonder if we have entered the Marvel Age of Dark Knight Returns

hmm, i wonder

There's a line of thought that goes "superhero comics are a place we got to in absence of hope to see heroes triumph over villains so that we know that when we, real people in the real world, stand up to villainy we have a chance to overcome it." This is fine and good when applied to some stories, but surely not the whole medium always and forever?

It doesn't apply to Watchmen, for one, the comic where capes can't even save their own world, let alone inspire anyone.

Think of Little Red Riding Hood. The original story had a gory downer of an ending, and the more famous version has a happy one. Which one is better, would you say? The cautionary tale or the tale of good overcoming evil? They both have their merits, i think, but the one where everyone makes it out okay is certainly more marketable. You can't sell big bad wolf mugs and pajamas off the gory story.

I think requiring stories to make us feel good is faulty. Stories should make us feel, period. I was feeling sorry for Spidey who was\is going though it under Wells. I'm feeling down about my fave mutants are going thru. Those are good and valid things to feel, and if the story are aiming at that, they're just as legit as stories of triumph that make us wanna fist pump. Scarlet Witch is doing just that rn. And Moon Knight, for one.

I'd be real bummed if all Marvel tales were flattened like Little Red Riding Hood. Sometimes a cold shower to the senses is just what the doc ordered

[charliehustle415]

hmm, i wonder

There's a line of thought that goes "superhero comics are a place we got to in absence of hope to see heroes triumph over villains so that we know that when we, real people in the real world, stand up to villainy we have a chance to overcome it." This is fine and good when applied to some stories, but surely not the whole medium always and forever?

It doesn't apply to Watchmen, for one, the comic where capes can't even save their own world, let alone inspire anyone.

Think of Little Red Riding Hood. The original story had a gory downer of an ending, and the more famous version has a happy one. Which one is better, would you say? The cautionary tale or the tale of good overcoming evil? They both have their merits, i think, but the one where everyone makes it out okay is certainly more marketable. You can't sell big bad wolf mugs and pajamas off the gory story.

I think requiring stories to make us feel good is faulty. Stories should make us feel, period. I was feeling sorry for Spidey who was\is going though it under Wells. I'm feeling down about my fave mutants are going thru. Those are good and valid things to feel, and if the story are aiming at that, they're just as legit as stories of triumph that make us wanna fist pump. Scarlet Witch is doing just that rn. And Moon Knight, for one.

I'd be real bummed if all Marvel tales were flattened like Little Red Riding Hood. Sometimes a cold shower to the senses is just what the doc ordered

I don't think anyone wants to "flatten" the X-Men, it's more the direction of the book.

Does the direction have to be extinction?

It doesn't have to be lighthearted it can be dark.

Can't the direction be Mutants rule the world and they're evil dicks? I think that would be interesting.

[ARkadelphia]

You know what ? You're right. My bad here. I remembered A.X.E. as like 2-3 months, and it went from july to november XD. I liked it but gods this is long.

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