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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    Eagles are going to be a health thing. Hurts is clearly aling and as he goes I fear does the team. Linebackers are woefully deficient on the defense too, they signed the ghost of Shaq Leonard today like that'll help. I don't worry about them against Dallas really (hope not) but Detroit I still feel comfortable with. They have played 3 times in two weeks. Seattle will tell me a lot.
    Hurts should never have gone back in the game after he came off the field. As for Leonard, perhaps that was a panic move, but he can't be any worse than Nicholas Morrow who had been roasted by Frisco on Sunday.
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    Is Jake Browning the next Brock Purdy?
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    Doubt it since I don't see him un seating a healthy Burrow.
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    No, but if he continues to play well, the Bengals might be able to trade him to a QB hungry team in the offseason for a mid round pick.

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    WEEK 14 "WHO'S COOKIN' ON THE HOTSEAT?/FIRE THIS COACH!" DISCUSSION
    (ALREADY FIRED BEFORE WEEK 9): Josh McDaniels (Raiders), Frank Reich (Panthers) FIRED! THEY’RE FIRED!

    10. Robert Saleh, Jets: Four plays into this season, Robert Saleh went from “great young coach who might get his team to the Super Bowl” to “guy who might have some explaining to do”… and the only thing that might keep him from getting fired is that everyone agrees, Zach Wilson is the biggest problem, and OC Nathaniel Hackett is probably the silver medal winner for the next biggest. The former has been benched, and the latter might be a sacrificial lamb, unless this franchise remains the hostage to the whims of Aaron Rodgers.

    Now, the catch is, Saleh hasn’t been able to have any member of his coaching staff get this kid playing any sort of respectable football, and he always finds a way to f*** up whatever the rest of the Jets EXTREMELY TALENTED ROSTER have done to still put him in position to win the game. I mean, their win in the opener was on a punt return…

    Saleh’s on the hot seat with the Jets at 4-8, and it’s mostly that there were higher expectations for this team… they’ll say, “It’s not his fault that Aaron Rodgers went down four plays into the season…” and they’ll be right. But while we think Saleh’s job is still “wait and see” at this time, we will remind everyone that the offense might also be struggling because it’s being run by OC Nathaniel Hackett, who coached Russell Wilson into an oubliette in Denver last season he still hasn’t fully recovered from.

    Let’s just say that this franchise is a complete mess from top to bottom, has fallen ass-backwards into one of the best defensive units in the NFL, and that in their desperation to solve their offensive woes, they entrusted all the decision making to an egomaniacal, moody, emotionally-stilted moron of a franchise QB who has convinced this team to sign any receiver, backup QB, or coach he’s ever gotten on with, but without any consideration if those players or coaches can actually make the team better before having his Achilles tendon explode, and continuing to call the shots while playing roughly one series for the team.

    9. Dennis Allen, Saints : Most people guessed that New Orleans would be the winners of the NFC South this year by default with Derek Carr, a complement of talented WRs, and a pretty well-rounded defense and their division rivals being mainly the Bucs on the downslide, the Falcons still not having much at QB, and the Panthers… well, being a train wreck on offense.

    And YET… The Saints are only 5-7, and are 1-2 against their division. They’ve lost three straight, and it’s a mystery as to how… the team is statistically in the middle of the pack in most categories, but nothing that should be handicapping them enough to be two games under .500. Is there any good news?

    Oddly, this is the best record Dennis Allen has had at Week 13 in his time as head coach. And, believe it or not, their remaining schedule could still see them make a run at the playoffs. Their final five goes like this… The Panthers then the Giants at home… the Rams on Thursday Night Football, then the Bucs, then the Falcons. Other than maybe that Rams game, with as weak as the NFC South is, they could win four of five and take the division at 9-8. Hell, they’re only a game back, I wouldn’t be surprised if the division is won by an 8-9 team at this point.

    But in any event, the Saints have been one of the most under-achieving teams over the last two seasons, and that could be more than enough to see the Saints move on from Dennis Allen.


    8. Jonathon Gannon, Cardinals: Gannon was hired via a tampering charge against the Cardinals, who interviewed him DURING Super Bowl week, and who were already are under investigation by the NFL because allegedly, their old GM, Steve Keim, was still barking orders to subordinates while under suspension via burner phones handed out on the orders of owner Michael Bidwill, who reportedly runs his team under a “culture of fear”. So that’s a great start to this discussion.

    Arizona was a trendy pick to be one of the worst teams in the NFL going into the season, but to a lot of people’s surprise, they’ve gone into the fourth quarter of every game this year down by at worst, one score. The first win of this team was an upset of the Dallas Cowboys that went a LOOOOONG way to giving Jonathon Gannon job security, just by avoiding being the first 0-17 team and exceeding expectations, particularly at the expense of a rival that abused this team all through its first days in the desert. From there, Josh Dobbs kept this team away from losses that qualify as “embarrassing”…

    At the trade deadline, they sent Dobbs off to Minnesota, and in the game that followed they started 3rd string rookie Clayton Tune and Arizona Tune Squad were shut out 27-0 by the Cleveland Browns. The good news for Jonathon Gannon Arizona is… the bar is set low enough for Jonathon Gannon that he just has to be a better coach than Kliff Kingsbury. Nobody locally believes this team was doing anything this year, and were already looking forward to the 2024 draft, when the front office will have both their own high 1st round pick, as well as the one that the Texans traded them to move up in the first round in 2023.

    Arizona dragged their feet on playing Kyler Murray as long as they could, and going into their game against the Falcons they had a choice… keep him on IR or they HAD to activate him from the PUP list. Fans are coming out with the consensus opinion, “Well, we hope Kyler plays well so we know he’s our QB next year… but we kinda hope we lose for a good draft pick. We’re already done as far as the playoffs are concerned.

    It’s past time for moral victories. Kyler’s back. Budda Baker’s healthy. The offense got James Connor back and will have their actual O-Line intact soon. If they can’t get another win or two against lesser teams in the back half of their schedule like Chicago, Houston (who are currently .500), or the Rams (assuming Stafford isn’t healthy for their matchup in a few weeks)… well, that might not bode well for JG… but it seems like he’s gonna be safe if the team improves to “mediocre” going into 2024.

    Those are the sorts of things I don’t recall seeing since this squad played at Sun Devil Stadium. We’re already in zombie football mode, with four games left. They’re 3-10 after upsetting the Pittsburgh Steelers yesterday at Heinz Field, and now move into their BYE week to prepare for what will almost definitely be a Week 15 drubbing against the 49ers.


    7. Antonio Pierce, Raiders: Short version: Like many interim coaches, Pierce won his first game after getting his field promotion. He won his second game right after. Mind you, those two victories were against the Giants, and Jets respectively…

    Facing the Dolphins and Chiefs the past few weeks, though, Las Vegas has regressed again against serious competition. They now have a BYE week, but it’s hard to say how Pierce and the defense he’s coaching up will look when they play the Vikings… as we have no idea which QB will start… but Justin Jefferson should be back. And that will make getting a win a tall order. They sit at 5-7 for the moment…

    And while we would think an interim coach would become the new permanent head coach if they managed to get to .500 by the end of the year… we’re not seeing that in the cards for this team. Also, if being a quality interim guy was something to guarantee job security, Rich Bisaccia would still be in Vegas, and they’d never have hired Josh McDaniels in the first place.


    6. Todd Bowles, Buccaneers : Bowles was considered to be on the hot seat at the start of 2023, and a hot start alleviated that. Could the Bucs win a very mediocre NFC South?

    Well… the Bucs lost six of seven going into yesterday’s matchup with Carolina, eking out a close win to move to 5-7. Bowles’ tendency to blitz safeties and corners might have something to do why Tampa Bay is 31st in pass defense at the moment. Only the Chargers are worse.

    We’re going to point out that there will be at least one coach fired from the NFC South at the end of the season, and it’s whomever can’t end up with the #4 seed in the NFC for winning this miserable conference. Bowles honestly might be overachieving right now, but he might have the hardest remaining schedule of any of the coaches in his division. Sure, he’s got a game against each of his division rivals left (yes, he gets the Panthers again in the finale), but Tampa plays the other, much colder Bay team, the Packers, on 12/17 at Lambeau, and has to host the likely AFC South champ, the Jacksonville Jaguars on Christmas Eve.

    At least knowing your season finale is against the Panthers means you’re highly likely to end your tenure with a win, should you get fired.
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    5. Ron Rivera, Washington Commanders: We hate putting his name on this list, but we’ve done it for four years now. Why’s it hard? The guy risked Covid-19 while coaching through fighting cancer and BEAT IT. That battle is probably the only positive news story you can find about the Washington Football Team from the past half decade. He coached four players onto last year’s Pro Bowl roster. The new front office absolutely wants a guy they can champion who’s been up against something as reviled as cancer, because it’s only slightly better regarded than Daniel Snyder is and was. The Commanders also failed to trademark their new team name in court, meaning it could be “back to the drawing board” on choosing a team name already at some point in the future.

    We have been, and continue to rooting for Riverboat Ron, and for all the nice things we can say about him, this franchise still has not had a franchise QB since… does Mark Rypien’s tenure count? Or are we going to say Joe Theismann? They’re now 4-9, and just got throttled 45-15 in front of their own fans in DC, the second straight game they’ve given up as many points in two thirty point losses. Oh, and they’re dead last in scoring defense, which isn’t actually an endorsement of a defensive coach like Rivera (who going back to Carolina, has a pattern of one year where he gets a team to .500 and the next where the team is awful). They’re dead last in point differential as well… but we’ll point out the Giants have played one fewer game than they have.

    After they’re fourth loss by more than 20 points this season… the new ownership group are likely to jettison Rivera going into the 2024 season.

    4. Matt Eberflus, Bears: Throughout most of last season on this list, we left Eberflus, a first year coach alone for awhile because, y’know… first year coach. It’s hard to fire a guy in his first year. But the Bears finished 3-13 and on a ten game losing streak, getting the #1 pick in the draft (and trading it to Carolina). Chicago led the NFL in rushing yards (getting over 1,000 out of Justin Fields sure helps), but they were also dead last in passing, 31st against stopping the run, and their scoring defense was dead last in the NFL. That losing streak grew to 14, and were it not for a Thursday Night Football win against the Washington Commanders in a game preceded by the death of Bears legend Dick Butkus to motivate them, could have become the longest overall losing streak in team history.

    Justin Fields was out of action for weeks, and someone named Tyson Bagent emerged from a Madden “Create-A-Player” to be named starter. The Bears got their fourth win against the Josh Dobbs-led Vikings on Monday Night Football last week, and all three of their wins have come against terrible competition. The Panthers, the Commanders, Raiders… the Vikings with a career backup and no Justin Jefferson… truly a murderer’s row. Mercifully, they should be done with primetime the rest of the season… instead, they get to host the NFC-North front-runner Detroit Lions this week.

    The Bears’ owners, the McCaskeys might hit the EJECT button on Eberflus, but they’re notoriously cheap and might not fire him just to avoid having to pay him to stay home. Tell their fans, “Hey, it’s just one year, it’ll get better…” It might, but this team needs to build around Fields before he loses the threat of being a running QB. But if Eberflus can’t get the Bears trending better and fast, he might be done after two seasons. He’s currently 6-23 as a head coach. The worst winning percentages for any coach with at least 40 games under their belt… only three people are worse than Eberflus right now: Bert Bell, Hue Jackson, and Steve Spagnuolo. THAT… is truly horrendous company to be keeping, or potentially, to drop lower than if he can’t get some wins down the stretch.


    3. Brandon Staley, Chargers: The L.A. Chargers sit at 5-7 now, and the good news was their defense finally showed up to get a 6-0 shutout!

    This game may have moved the Chargers to 29th in total defense, and 31st in pass defense with the impressive effort (and Washington’s abysmal performance)… but it also has to make you stop and go… hold up… how did New England hold Justin Herbert to two FGs? Is he starting to regress under this coach?

    Since Staley’s tenure began, he’s coached 40 games. In that time, he’s a mediocre 23-20. Of those 43 games dating back to the start of the 2021 season, the Chargers have played in 30 one-score games, the most in the NFL… and are 14-15 after losing to the Packers on Sunday.

    In the first halves of games during Staley’s tenure, this team’s point differential is +145. In the second halves of games during his tenure, they’re -103 in point differential.

    At this point, you have to look at halftime adjustments, and why other coaches manage to run circles around Brandon Staley’s ability to hold a lead… because these are numbers you can’t just pin on “bad defense”. If you can go up by multiple scores by the end of the second quarter, you’d think you would trend on finishing the game with a similar one. You’d think.

    Staley opened this season with two losses where he blew second half leads, had a third game against the Vikings where he went for it on 4th and short from inside his own 25 with under two minutes remaining (Kirk Cousins ran the worst 2 minute drill to hand the victory back to thim), got back to .500 against the Raiders, and dropped games to the Cowboys, Chiefs, and Ravens in primetime games. (The Jets did them a solid last week on MNF, at least.)

    After three years, the Chargers are likely to move on, because they have their QB situation on lockdown, and yet… Staley can’t do a damned thing with him.

    2. Mike Vrabel, Titans: The Titans managed to dominate the AFC South during the prime of Derrick Henry, but it looks like Father Time is converting him from “most dominant back in the league” to “respectable veteran RB” right now. Mike Vrabel had his time on top of the AFC South, but it’s beginning to look like he’s not evolving to handle the reality that his RB is getting older, and his QB is mediocre at best.

    They’re in the cellar in the AFC South by three whole games, falling to 4-8 after a 31-28 loss to the Colts in overtime… and Indy didn’t even have Jonathan Taylor for that matchup. Vrabel settled for a FG halfway through overtime, only to see his defense immediately cave and give up a 55 yard catch to Alec Pierce that set up a Michael Pittman Jr. touchdown. Vrabel’s defense was carved up by the ‘Stache himself, Gardner Minshew all game long, especially in the overtime. That they lost this game is remarkable because they outrushed the Colts 177-55, and were 6-17 on third down, versus Indy being 3-14. They had six sacks to Indy’s three. What stat could help explain how they blew it, outside of the passing defense?

    Nine penalties for 74 yards, which is all on coaching.

    There are rumors of Vrabel’s mentor, Bill Belichik’s time in New England coming close to an end… and the rumors are if the Titans drop him, Robert Kraft is going to take on the guy who is, perhaps by default… the most successful of his disciples to succeed him. That’s… a lot of things contingent on each other, but as far as Tennessee dropping Vrabel… he’s 11-18 over the past two seasons. This isn’t one rough year now… it’s a clear downward trend.


    1. Bill Belichik, Patriots: The Patriots finished 8-9 last year and are trying to see if they can’t avoid finishing in the cellar in the AFC East, hoping the Jets don’t get better QB play than well… than what they’re getting. Mac Jones is likely riding out his final year as “the schmuck that had to fill Tom Brady’s shoes and was never gonna anyway”, Ezekiel Elliot isn’t even averaging 3 yards a carry at the ripe old age of 28 (it doesn’t help Belichek’s case that he’s making Jerry Jones look smarter than him for letting him walk out of Dallas), and this team’s defensive roster is built mostly on bricks made of Darth Hoodie’s arrogance that he needs “smart” players that do what he says, and the wins pile on in. His coaching staff also features former LB Jarod Mayo, his own sons Brian Belichek, Steve Belichek, Steve Belichek’s mullet, and the abject failures Bill O’Brien and Joe Judge.

    There have been a lot of embarrassing lopsided losses for New England this year, but they just lost a 21st century NFL game 6-0. I love defense… but that game was more about terrible offense. New England have now been shut out twice in one season, something they didn’t even do at their worst in the 1980s… and they have averaged 4 points per game in their past three matchups. On the season, they’re averaging 12.3 PPG, which is precisely dead last. Fun historical fact: They're the first team since 1938 to hold their opponents to ten points or less in three straight games and lose all three.

    Well, to be honest, LA got the goose egg in a game against the Patriots to kick Bill Belichek while his own players are admitting to opponents post game that they’re “ASS”.


    And God help us, on Thursday Night Football this week, this team’s miserable offense will clash with the Pittsburgh Steelers in a game that might set a record for the Vegas over-under line being lower than any game in the past 40 years. It will be a truly unwatchable matchup.

    Belichik’s Patriots are now 2-10. One of the supposed landing spots for Darth Hoodie should he be fired is back with the Giants, where he started as a Parcells assistant. Mac Jones has been benched in four different games this year, and we’re pretty sure in the last six on their schedule, it’s going to happen again. They host the LA Chargers this week in a battle of coaches in the hottest seats.

    How the mighty can fall.
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    There are a few reasons Browning isn't a Brock Purdy situation....


    - Burrow unlike Trey Lance is a Pro Bowl QB and has led his team to a Super Bowl. He's a proven winner. Lance had 3 seasons where he hasn't even managed to crack a NFL offense. And one ran by a QB friendly coach like Kyle Shanahan.


    - Browning has only started 1 game and had a solid outing, Purdy has been a F'N machine and had started so many games in a row winning , that he made the 49ers realize...he was the future. Browning had 1 great game but its far from saying he's better than Burrow.


    - OVERALL : If Browning wins a lot more and continues his dominating performance in regular season he could be a great trade possibly. Teams could send a 2nd or 3rd for him if that.

    If Browning wins through the playoffs and Super Bowl ...then the Bengals will face some hard questions ahead possibly. And could trade Browning for a 1st rd pick.
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    Bill O'Brien is the only coach with a winning record under the Belichick coaching tree. He had the most success...if he's an object failure then I have no idea what bad coaches like Josh McDaniels , Matt Patricia and others are. Because again....O'Brien did his winning before Deshaun Watson was QB of the Texans.

    Its not Bill O'Brien's fault the team has a bad offensive line and no real QB.
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    My Browning comment was tongue in cheek. But it is remarkable that a undrafted practice squad QB can outplay a lot of first round picks. As for a trade. I believe he only has a one year deal with the Bengals and will be a free agent.
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    Browning will need to prove more before other teams take a look at him. He has only started two games. A so so showing vs the Steelers and a pretty good outing against the Jags. The is not enough yet for teams to decide to pull the trigger on making him their starter.
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    It took Purdy a few games before I even thought , ok this guy looks legit. Then once they went into the playoffs I was one of the 1st to bring up how he could be the starter moving forward over Lance in 2023.
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    The Jets QB circus continues as they cut Tim Boyle today. They then signed Bret Rypien off the Seahawks practice squad. No word who Saleh will start yet.

    Jags season hopes took a big hit last night as they lost both Lawrence to a high ankle sprain and their top receiver Christian Kirk to a groin injury that is going to require surgery. They likely still make the playoffs because they are atop a bad division currently, but any aspiration to be the AFC top seed or a deep run were put in jeopardy by those injuries.

    As to Shaq Leonard, he's a pale shadow of his former self who got benched because of his poor play by the Colts and cut because he wasn't going to be an asset as a back up or locker room presence for the younger layers. As a Cowboys fan I was dreading them signing him (I did a happy dance when he left the Star without a contract to visit other teams) , so I'm happy the Eagles did instead.

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    Zach Wilson has been named the Jets starting QB for this Sunday. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I think I might actually be rooting for the guy to have a good game for once since the world seems to be so down on him, but I am not sure he is capable of it.

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    Bengals backup qb Jake Browning has been named AFC player of the week
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    Pats find a way to win with Zappe as QB.
    Will this affect their top draft pick for a QB next year.
    Speaking of which, will Carolina stay with Young and trade their possible #1 spot, or trade Young and go with new, taller QB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Pats find a way to win with Zappe as QB.
    Will this affect their top draft pick for a QB next year.
    Speaking of which, will Carolina stay with Young and trade their possible #1 spot, or trade Young and go with new, taller QB?
    I think Arizona might win another game by the end of the year (Chicago) and cede the draft spot back to the Pats.

    Also, Cardinals, should they leapfrog New England, are likely to want to nab Marvin Harrison Jr. and not take a QB. They're more likely to leverage the #2 pick in a trade, and the Pats might have to give up some draft capitol in that scenario to avoid having another team jump ahead of them for one of those top 2 QBs.

    Honestly, there's too many "ifs" between now and the end of the season... and then a bunch more between February and April.
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    Didn't watch the game last night as I had no interest in it. So, imagine my surprise when I checked the scores this morning and learned that the Pats actually won. Whoa! Meanwhile, how embarrassing for Pittsburgh to have lost to Bailey Freaking Zappe, if that debacle didn't kill the Steelers' playoff chances, it damn sure put them on life support.
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