Justice for Sharon Friedlander - Karma of Joanna Cargill ?

[Will Evans]

In the specific case of Vertigo... we have reason to believe that there have in fact been two of her running around at times. why? well, one of her was a Marauder, the other was a heroine in the Savage Land. I'm inclined to think the Marauder is the clone.

I’m pretty sure an issue of X-Man, confirmed that back in 90s.

[EldonMaguan]

I’m pretty sure an issue of X-Man, confirmed that back in 90s.

It was actually Secret Empire Underground 1 , where she revealed that there is only 1 Vertigo at any own time B2EB925B-DEA3-418B-8B79-7EACC5273406.jpg

[marhawkman]

It was actually Secret Empire Underground 1 , where she revealed that there is only 1 Vertigo at any own time B2EB925B-DEA3-418B-8B79-7EACC5273406.jpg

enh, can't read that.. Found a bigger copy, but, Vertigo was actually talking about having nightmares about what clones of her had done apparently? She found a cloning tank with a clone of her in it even?

[EldonMaguan]

enh, can't read that.. Found a bigger copy, but, Vertigo was actually talking about having nightmares about what clones of her had done apparently? She found a cloning tank with a clone of her in it even?

Vertigo wouldnt be able to have the memories of her past deaths unless she was the direct resurrection / reincarnation of the original Vertigo who died those said deaths , its the Ben Reilly Syndrome

[The Cool Thatguy]

I'd like to see it addressed if only to do away with the whole 'Every crime committed by mutants is excusable because oppression' thing they have going on now.

[marhawkman]

Vertigo wouldnt be able to have the memories of her past deaths unless she was the direct resurrection / reincarnation of the original Vertigo who died those said deaths , its the Ben Reilly Syndrome

Enh.... not so sure. was it memories, or seeing through her double's eyes?

'cause fiction does that sometimes. Clones might have shared memories ... somehow. Let's face it... simply taking a DNA sample and growing a new person DOESN'T give you the memories of whoever the DNA came from. Sometimes fiction will have a clone's memories end up in the original... just... because. DCAU did that with Supergirl and Galatea. neither replaced the other... but they were somehow mentally linked.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Enh.... not so sure. was it memories, or seeing through her double's eyes?

'cause fiction does that sometimes. Clones might have shared memories ... somehow. Let's face it... simply taking a DNA sample and growing a new person DOESN'T give you the memories of whoever the DNA came from. Sometimes fiction will have a clone's memories end up in the original... just... because. DCAU did that with Supergirl and Galatea. neither replaced the other... but they were somehow mentally linked.

Same brainwave length was the handwave, IIRC.

[EldonMaguan]

Same brainwave length was the handwave, IIRC.

That was DC , this is Marvel , and “same brainwaves” have never been used as the explanation in any story ever , at least not in 616

And BTW Vertigo is probably bispecies like Kamala , she’s both X-gene mutant AND Magneto-evolved Savage Land mutate , which is why she’s living on Krakoa (as revealed in LaValle’s Sabretooth) , and why she was eaten by Predator X in Messiah Complex , which would not/never have happened if she had no X-genes to begin with in the first place

[Sutekh]

That was DC , this is Marvel , and “same brainwaves” have never been used as the explanation in any story ever , at least not in 616

And BTW Vertigo is probably bispecies like Kamala , she’s both X-gene mutant AND Magneto-evolved Savage Land mutate , which is why she’s living on Krakoa (as revealed in LaValle’s Sabretooth) , and why she was eaten by Predator X in Messiah Complex , which would not/never have happened if she had no X-genes to begin with in the first place

It's *possible* that Vertigo was the one 'Savage Land mutate' who was an actual gosh-darn mutant, and didn't need Maggie's machine to kickstart her X-gene.

All the rest of those losers sure did.

(Ignoring the most likely explanation, that the X-writers can't be bothered to keep this stuff straight, and had no idea / didn't care that Vertigo wasn't supposed to be an actual mutant, but an artificially triggered 'mutate' like Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four.)

Note to self; the past tense of Vertigo is not Vertigone.

[marhawkman]

It's *possible* that Vertigo was the one 'Savage Land mutate' who was an actual gosh-darn mutant, and didn't need Maggie's machine to kickstart her X-gene.

All the rest of those losers sure did.

(Ignoring the most likely explanation, that the X-writers can't be bothered to keep this stuff straight, and had no idea / didn't care that Vertigo wasn't supposed to be an actual mutant, but an artificially triggered 'mutate' like Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four.)

Note to self; the past tense of Vertigo is not Vertigone.

Oh yeah, that reminds me... in X-Men TAS there's that scene where Sinister starts making super-Mutants by splicing Mutant powers together, and by copying Magneto's X-Gene into Vertigo he gave her the ability to use her power like a standard ranged attack.

Yeah, not sure about other continuities but in THAT one Vertigo is a Mutant.

One of the funniest parts in the fight is when Magneto decides to sneak attack Vertigo.

[WiT]

Umm, there's a glaring omega level hole in this position, Jean was gleefully voted in and then forced herself onto the next team's iteration.

Who did Jean kill?

Because if you mean the D'Bari. That was not actually her.

[Thirteen]

In the specific case of Vertigo... we have reason to believe that there have in fact been two of her running around at times. why? well, one of her was a Marauder, the other was a heroine in the Savage Land. I'm inclined to think the Marauder is the clone.

Vertigo was a heroine in the Savage Land? I missed that.

[Sutekh]

Vertigo was a heroine in the Savage Land? I missed that.

Perhaps Vertigo (and the other Savage Land Mutates) could be considered heroes to their own people (the Swamp Tribe of the Savage Land, IIRC) just as Soviet Super Soldiers like Crimson Dynamo and Titanium Man were villains to Iron Man, but heroes to the people of Russia.

Certainly Namor has toed that same line of hero and 'Avenging Son' to Atlantis and tidal-wave-bringing, monster-summoning, country-flooding villain to the people of New York or Wakanda!