Doomsday (DC) vs S-Class Heroes (One Punch Man)

[T-1000]

Assume, for whatever reason you want, that a cosmic misalignment swaps out Saitama the One Punch Man, with Doomsday the monster that killed Superman.

This is comics/manga version for both sides. Composite Doomsday.

Can the S-Class Heroes of the OPM-verse or any heroes below that for that matter, bring down Doomsday before he ends all life on the planet?

[Muadib]

IIRC Doomsday isnt granted Kryptonian speed, due to a lack of feats using such speed. His tagging Superman is generally regarded as PIS.

So hes a very very tough brick who is going to be hit thousands of times a second by the faster members of the OPM S tier. He wont have time to develop defences, unless for some reason you spot him the ability to develop speed to compensate.

So most them will be either to give him a ring out, or wear him down for a ten count iirc.

Speed equalized, its much more of a fight, since Doomsdays strength is arguably at least moon busting iirc?

[Jcogginsa]

IIRC Doomsday isnt granted Kryptonian speed, due to a lack of feats using such speed. His tagging Superman is generally regarded as PIS.

So hes a very very tough brick who is going to be hit thousands of times a second by the faster members of the OPM S tier. He wont have time to develop defences, unless for some reason you spot him the ability to develop speed to compensate.

So most them will be either to give him a ring out, or wear him down for a ten count iirc.

Speed equalized, its much more of a fight, since Doomsdays strength is arguably at least moon busting iirc?

This is a composite Doomsday.

IIRC there's at least one version of Doomsday that releases a toxic miasma that destroys things around him.

(Depending on how you define Doomsday, he could potentially have all of Superman's powers plus Batman's skills too)

[Captain Morgan]

There are versions of Doomsday that take 4000 super speed punches from Post Crisis Superman, with the only result being Clark's knuckles bleed. No amount of attacks from Atomic Samurai or Flashy Flash will hurt him. He can also fly, so no space toss. Even Tornado's TK wouldn't suffice, as he's adapted to being suspended in Green Lantern energy fields and such.

But... Blast is (technically) part of the S Class. He should be able to dimension dump Doomsday, and I don't thiiiiink any version of Doomsday can come back from that.

[Jcogginsa]

But... Blast is (technically) part of the S Class. He should be able to dimension dump Doomsday, and I don't thiiiiink any version of Doomsday can come back from that.

He might? There was a period where he could teleport via the phantom zone, that might do it

[Captain Smith]

Without Saitama, I think a composite will win. Of course, he has to wear his Superman underoos! One Doomsday took an exploding Guardian. True it put him out for awhile, so if you can put out that much energy, might get a 10 count. Don't know the OP players that well.

[T-1000]

IIRC Doomsday isnt granted Kryptonian speed, due to a lack of feats using such speed. His tagging Superman is generally regarded as PIS.

That's some pretty consistent PIS given how often it's occurred. Doomsday may not have super speed per se but I think it's more than safe to grant him super reflexes. That plus some absolutely broken durability and strength makes him more than a match for the S Class Heroes. The simple fact is that most of them don't do enough damage to put Doomsday down.

[Slade1]

That's some pretty consistent PIS given how often it's occurred. Doomsday may not have super speed per se but I think it's more than safe to grant him super reflexes. That plus some absolutely broken durability and strength makes him more than a match for the S Class Heroes. The simple fact is that most of them don't do enough damage to put Doomsday down.

PIS is absolutely consistent otherwise there wouldn’t be a story.

[Sharpandpointies]

Agreed.

Just because PIS happens a lot doesn't mean it isn't still PIS. Superman is one of those guys with VAST amounts of superspeed, but whose superspeed rarely shows up in a story even when he might be better off using it.

Doomsday doesn't have any actual speedfeats on the level of he'd need to catch Clark. He just...does. Which is textbook PIS.

And occasionally we get scenes where Clark actually USES his superspeed.

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And Spiky-Beard can't touch him.

[Captain Morgan]

Agreed.

Just because PIS happens a lot doesn't mean it isn't still PIS. Superman is one of those guys with VAST amounts of superspeed, but whose superspeed rarely shows up in a story even when he might be better off using it.

Doomsday doesn't have any actual speedfeats on the level of he'd need to catch Clark. He just...does. Which is textbook PIS.

And occasionally we get scenes where Clark actually USES his superspeed.

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And Spiky-Beard can't touch him.

I agree with the general point (that most versions of DD do not demonstrate super speed or super reflexes) but I'll note in that specific examples Doomsday is like... Actively being depowered for bad Loeb reasons. His claw snaps off Clark's chest on the next page. It is a bad example to demonstrate much of anything for his "usual" power levels.

[T-1000]

Agreed.

Just because PIS happens a lot doesn't mean it isn't still PIS. Superman is one of those guys with VAST amounts of superspeed, but whose superspeed rarely shows up in a story even when he might be better off using it.

Doomsday doesn't have any actual speedfeats on the level of he'd need to catch Clark. He just...does. Which is textbook PIS.

And occasionally we get scenes where Clark actually USES his superspeed.

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And Spiky-Beard can't touch him.

This whole scene reeks of PIS in Supes' favor. As was point out, we even see DD's claws break off of Superman's chest despite the fact that they are shown to be strong enough and powerful enough to cut Superman. After being tough enough to kill Superman, all of the sudden DD can't even land a single hit on him.

[Jcogginsa]

Question: In the case of a character who tags super fast people but doesn't otherwise have noticeable speed feats, does it matter if the other characters in-universe make note of his speed?

Because in the original Death of Superman, it's noted several times that Doomsday is moving very fast

[Slade1]

Question: In the case of a character who tags super fast people but doesn't otherwise have noticeable speed feats, does it matter if the other characters in-universe make note of his speed?

Because in the original Death of Superman, it's noted several times that Doomsday is moving very fast

Character statements don’t mean much with out feats. Now there is a scene where Superman noted how fast he was and couldn’t get out of the way fast enough but every other time he has shown no super speed. I don’t think he’s slow, in fact he’s at least CBPH but that’s not nearly enough to be comparable to Superman.

[Jcogginsa]

Character statements don’t mean much with out feats. Now there is a scene where Superman noted how fast he was and couldn’t get out of the way fast enough but every other time he has shown no super speed. I don’t think he’s slow, in fact he’s at least CBPH but that’s not nearly enough to be comparable to Superman.

I thought the issue was that Doomsday didn't have supporting evidence to back up is feats of keeping up with Superman. IE he doesn't have feats displaying high reaction speed outside of being in combat with other people

In which case, shouldn't in-text acknoledgement that Doomsday has super speed be another form of supporting evidence for his combat feats?

[Wildling]

About slowness, for characters like Doomsday, or Hulk, or even some monster types like any number of werewolves, my impression is even if they didn't have legitimate superspeed, if you as a regular human had to survive them by outrunning them in some open area, you'd be totally screwed.