Justice Society of America #6 Preview

[MajorHoy]

It's not headcanon but the readers of the DC wikia interpreting what they read, their way. Which may not be exactly accurate.

It would be best if someone or some people compiled all the current info into new Who's Who profiles and articles, from the revised history to today.

You mean real, legitimate Who's Who entries as opposed to the ones Geoff Johns made up for The New Golden Age?

The problem is, even if DC took the time to do what you suggest, how soon would a new writer come along and start making them invalid?

[HsssH]

It really is a mess. That wiki insists on dividing things into New Earth and Prime Earth, even though they've been established as one and the same. The Android Hourman stuff was correctly just added to his New Earth page. But Impulse for example has a Prime Earth page which should be merged with New Earth one, as he's the same character (his New 52 version Bar-Torr would still warrant a separate page though).

Then there is a question of what to do with characters like Ryan Choi. Orlando's Ryan is clearly not the same one we got in All New Atom who later got killed.

[Doctor Kent Nelson]

And we waited over a decade for this garbage.........

And it's also the reason DC won't get another cent from me!

[finfan]

Here's a non-aiptcomics link:
Justice Society of America #6 Preview


Salem's addition to Doctor Fate could be interesting, but Kent's dead and DC can't keep Khalid straight (and not in a fun gay way) I'm also really not interested in a "I'm worried I won't live up to blah" arc because that kind of stuff has never suited or worked with Khalid - it just makes him generic.

God, I hate that Kent (and Nabu) are still dead. Seriously, the continuity's already screwed, but his death is still sticking for some reason.

I'm sure it won't worsen any preexisting problems with fleshing out characters and dynamics.

I'll probably get deleted from CBR but Kent Nelson is NEVER coming back. He's been replaced by a diversity character and DC don't want that flack as they see themselves as progressive. Paul Levtiz and James Tynion IV have added to the tainted legacy of Dr Fate.

[TheCasualReader]

I'll probably get deleted from CBR but Kent Nelson is NEVER coming back. He's been replaced by a diversity character and DC don't want that flack as they see themselves as progressive. Paul Levtiz and James Tynion IV have added to the tainted legacy of Dr Fate.

Dude, that's just complete nonsense. Have you ever actually read those series?

The Doctor Fate (2015) series is the comic where Khalid debuted as Doctor Fate. Kent was respected, became Khalid's mentor and Kent even retained the ability to be Doctor Fate (on his own terms, no less) The series literally had the two character co-exist by intent.

In the Justice League Dark series, Kent is Doctor Fate and is mentoring Khalid. He gives up the mantle of Doctor Fate after what Nabu did. Khalid ultimately picks it up in a time of need, and becomes Doctor Fate. After that, Kent remains an active member of the team and continues to be Khalid's mentor. He eventually departs the series peacefully, only to be brought back because the writer wanted a bittersweet ending, but wasn't willing to actually kill off any of the people still on the team, so he brought Kent back to kill. Kent and Khalid's characters co-existed for the entire series until that last issue where the writer needed to pointlessly kill off a character, so he killed off both Kent (and Nabu because again, it wasn't for Khalid's sake) Khalid's relationship to Kent is an important part of his character.

In the Black Adam movie, Kent's Doctor Fate with no mention of Khalid whatsoever. Kent dies, not for the sake of ushering in the age of Khalid, but because Kent's the old mentor character who must die for the sake of a cliché because that's the kind of boring movie Black Adam was (they went for a generic satanic design for a Babylonian demon)

The idea that Kent suddenly started to get killed off, discounted and mistreated because of Khalid is fucking absurd. I'm a Kent Nelson fan (because of Khalid), I've read and seen how DC's treated Kent Nelson prior to Khalid's existence and there wasn't some glorious streak of stories that got cut short.

[finfan]

Dude, that's just complete nonsense. Have you ever actually read those series?

The Doctor Fate (2015) series is the comic where Khalid debuted as Doctor Fate. Kent was respected, became Khalid's mentor and Kent even retained the ability to be Doctor Fate (on his own terms, no less) The series literally had the two character co-exist by intent.

In the Justice League Dark series, Kent is Doctor Fate and is mentoring Khalid. He gives up the mantle of Doctor Fate after what Nabu did. Khalid ultimately picks it up in a time of need, and becomes Doctor Fate. After that, Kent remains an active member of the team and continues to be Khalid's mentor. He eventually departs the series peacefully, only to be brought back because the writer wanted a bittersweet ending, but wasn't willing to actually kill off any of the people still on the team, so he brought Kent back to kill. Kent and Khalid's characters co-existed for the entire series until that last issue where the writer needed to pointlessly kill off a character, so he killed off both Kent (and Nabu because again, it wasn't for Khalid's sake) Khalid's relationship to Kent is an important part of his character.

In the Black Adam movie, Kent's Doctor Fate with no mention of Khalid whatsoever. Kent dies, not for the sake of ushering in the age of Khalid, but because Kent's the old mentor character who must die for the sake of a cliché because that's the kind of boring movie Black Adam was (they went for a generic satanic design for a Babylonian demon)

The idea that Kent suddenly started to get killed off, discounted and mistreated because of Khalid is fucking absurd. I'm a Kent Nelson fan (because of Khalid), I've read and seen how DC's treated Kent Nelson prior to Khalid's existence and there wasn't some glorious streak of stories that got cut short.

The 2015 Dr Fate series was a piece of garbage from a writer that should have retired a long time ago. The series ignored everything that came before and Nabu a "computer" construct? WTF? Khalid was a lame Peter Parker clone and a walking cliche of a poorly written Egyptian American. Heck, even DC didn't know what was going on... Kent Conrad? You don't just materialize a helmet of Dr Fate. Cue rebirth... Kent Nelson returns only be benched again by Tynion IV.

[MajorHoy]

The 2015 Dr Fate series was a piece of garbage from a writer that should have retired a long time ago. The series ignored everything that came before . . .

You do realize that series began before Rebirth, so nothing had "come before"?

Hell, it gave us back Kent Nelson as Doctor Fate before Geoff Johns (and Scott Snyder) brought back the JSA!

from Doctor Fate #16 (November 2016)

[JayPursuits]

The 2015 Dr Fate series was a piece of garbage from a writer that should have retired a long time ago. The series ignored everything that came before and Nabu a "computer" construct? WTF? Khalid was a lame Peter Parker clone and a walking cliche of a poorly written Egyptian American. Heck, even DC didn't know what was going on... Kent Conrad? You don't just materialize a helmet of Dr Fate. Cue rebirth... Kent Nelson returns only be benched again by Tynion IV.

You really did not read the actual book to sit here and say that.

First off, Nabu was not a computer construct. He's explicitly referred to as a sprit of the helm just like EVERY other iteration. And also the "Kent Conrad" part is just a solicit mistake. DC has done that LONG before the 2015 Dr. Fate series.

Also, Peter Parker clone? Name another Egyptian-American Muslim character struggling with his faith and being a practitioner of magic while saving his city and explain how that makes him a Peter Parker clone? Because he's a young hero? Newsflash, Khalid started his heroism AFTER college, not even high school like Peter Parker.

It's not like Paul Levitz actually did a good job on that TBH because he doesn't understand Muslim faith or Egyptian history but that's another story. And finally, the series established Kent Nelson is just SO GOOD he holds a connection to the Helmet. Out of all the things to complain about for Kent Nelson's Doctor Fate treatment, the Dr. Fate series is not it. In that book, Kent was wise and competent and was generally able to do more without the helm than Khalid could do. Of course, he's young and very new like....months in new so it's excusable. He's also mentoring so again, no real problem.

In Justice League Dark, Kent is considered a "legitimate" sorcerer and everyone praises him (Zatanna and Circe included) and expected him to stay Doctor Fate. Compared to Khalid, who is now more experienced and capable, Wonder Woman writes him off as a "teenager" at first despite being trained and actually better at knowing magic than her and Detective Chimp and managing to do the Parliament of Life. Khalid in that book, although strides were made, was the most sidelined character even as THE official successor to Doctor Fate and most of his conflict revolved around Doctor Fate and it's relation to Kent Nelson.

The idea that Kent suddenly started to get killed off, discounted and mistreated because of Khalid is fucking absurd. I'm a Kent Nelson fan (because of Khalid), I've read and seen how DC's treated Kent Nelson prior to Khalid's existence and there wasn't some glorious streak of stories that got cut short.

Thank you! Even dead, the character makes appearances in flashbacks doing more than Khalid usually does. Artist cant even remember the character's age or costume or his own stuff and they're still toting "new guy Dr. Fate" despite debuting in 2015 and now being the second-longest character in publication going by Dr. Fate. Hector and Kent V. got to be "Sorcerer Supremes" or "best Doctor Fate" status in less time than Khalid.

[finfan]

You do realize that series began before Rebirth, so nothing had "come before"?

Hell, it gave us back Kent Nelson as Doctor Fate before Geoff Johns (and Scott Snyder) brought back the JSA!

from Doctor Fate #16 (November 2016)

No, Levitz pretty much ignored anything Dr Fate prior to his series. Geoff Johns made Kent Nelson the primary Dr Fate in Rebirth (ignored the Levitz series) and this character would have been part of the "new" JSA in Doomsday Clock. Cue in Tynion IV who brought back Khalid as the primary Dr Fate and then killed Kent for cheap thrills.

[finfan]

You really did not read the actual book to sit here and say that.

First off, Nabu was not a computer construct. He's explicitly referred to as a sprit of the helm just like EVERY other iteration. And also the "Kent Conrad" part is just a solicit mistake. DC has done that LONG before the 2015 Dr. Fate series.

Also, Peter Parker clone? Name another Egyptian-American Muslim character struggling with his faith and being a practitioner of magic while saving his city and explain how that makes him a Peter Parker clone? Because he's a young hero? Newsflash, Khalid started his heroism AFTER college, not even high school like Peter Parker.

It's not like Paul Levitz actually did a good job on that TBH because he doesn't understand Muslim faith or Egyptian history but that's another story. And finally, the series established Kent Nelson is just SO GOOD he holds a connection to the Helmet. Out of all the things to complain about for Kent Nelson's Doctor Fate treatment, the Dr. Fate series is not it. In that book, Kent was wise and competent and was generally able to do more without the helm than Khalid could do. Of course, he's young and very new like....months in new so it's excusable. He's also mentoring so again, no real problem.

In Justice League Dark, Kent is considered a "legitimate" sorcerer and everyone praises him (Zatanna and Circe included) and expected him to stay Doctor Fate. Compared to Khalid, who is now more experienced and capable, Wonder Woman writes him off as a "teenager" at first despite being trained and actually better at knowing magic than her and Detective Chimp and managing to do the Parliament of Life. Khalid in that book, although strides were made, was the most sidelined character even as THE official successor to Doctor Fate and most of his conflict revolved around Doctor Fate and it's relation to Kent Nelson.



Thank you! Even dead, the character makes appearances in flashbacks doing more than Khalid usually does. Artist cant even remember the character's age or costume or his own stuff and they're still toting "new guy Dr. Fate" despite debuting in 2015 and now being the second-longest character in publication going by Dr. Fate. Hector and Kent V. got to be "Sorcerer Supremes" or "best Doctor Fate" status in less time than Khalid.

Like Black Adam, Tynion had to justify Peter Parker... errr... Khalid as Dr Fate by a cheap death. Sabbac was just a cheaper version of The Upside Down Man. Either way, Kent Nelson is gone forever pals!

[MajorHoy]

No, Levitz pretty much ignored anything Dr Fate prior to his series.

Again, during the New52/DCYou (which is when the series began), all of Doctor Fate's past history / past stories were no longer "canon"! It was a reworked universe where all traces of the past (except in the cases of Batman and Green Lantern) were wiped away.
DC chose to ignore anything Dr. Fate / JSA related well before Levitz' series began.

[JayPursuits]

Like Black Adam, Tynion had to justify Peter Parker... errr... Khalid as Dr Fate by a cheap death. Sabbac was just a cheaper version of The Upside Down Man. Either way, Kent Nelson is gone forever pals!

Boy, Kent Nelson took a dip for a 10 year old last continuity and that just got restored. GTFO with that “Peter Parker” nonsense.

[Frontier]

I love talking about Kent and Dr. Fate as much as the next person, but how about the issue itself?

[Will Evans]

I love talking about Kent and Dr. Fate as much as the next person, but how about the issue itself?

Ted Grant Wildcat returns!

[Dougbauer]

It seems that he will be the teacher colt for the new team, Young Justice DARK.