How to keep Magneto's Holocaust origin in future adaptions

[ARkadelphia]

Can’t he just stay dead?

[Grunty]

Because Magneto is only going to get older and older and older.

I think it vital to his origin/motivation, but suspension of disbelief only goes so far. He's not Selene, he's not Apoccy.

Throw some suspended animation ala Cap, and things are fine.

Which can beg the question if it wouldn't be better for the Marvel comics to drop all pretence of trying to be "up to date" and relevant" by referencing real world "current" events, technologies and celebrities and instead embrace the idea of the main Marvel Universe exists in a vague time period of the recent past but full of intentional and tongue in cheek anachronisms?

Infact it can be argued that the sliding timescale and stubborn adherence to the idea that the Marvel Universe has to remain unchanging from and up to date with the real world actualy harms the suspension of disbelief much more than any of the fantastic or illogical elements of the world.

After all, everyone who would actualy bother to read up on famous stories and events will quickly notice that these clearly take place in what looks like the 1960's, 70's, 80's and 90's respectively and yet according to the sliding timescale those would have to take place in 2000 or 2010.

For example according to the sliding timescale disco was still one of the dominant mainstream music genres in 2010, just so everything about Dazzler's current age, career and classic stories make sense.

Which in turn would mean that around 50 genres or styles of eletronic dance music evolved or became popular within less than 13 years afterwards.

By trying to be "up to date" the Marvel comics make it much more difficult for potential new readers to take their continuity seriously, when it's so blatantly inconnsistent with the world they take place in or the real world.

So perhaps it would be better for the main Marvel Comics Universe to embrace a sort of modern "hyborian age" taking place somewhere in the late 80's or early 90's and mix various forms of anachronism.

Just like how the classic Batman cartoon of the 1990's was designed to look vaguely 1950's in terms of aesthetics, but featured a mixture of modern and even futuristic technologies. Giving it a much more "timeless" feel.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Which can beg the question if it wouldn't be better for the Marvel comics to drop all pretence of trying to be "up to date" and relevant" by referencing real world "current" events, technologies and celebrities and instead embrace the idea of the main Marvel Universe exists in a vague time period of the recent past but full of intentional and tongue in cheek anachronisms?

Infact it can be argued that the sliding timescale and stubborn adherence to the idea that the Marvel Universe has to remain unchanging from and up to date with the real world actualy harms the suspension of disbelief much more than any of the fantastic or illogical elements of the world.

After all, everyone who would actualy bother to read up on famous stories and events will quickly notice that these clearly take place in what looks like the 1960's, 70's, 80's and 90's respectively and yet according to the sliding timescale those would have to take place in 2000 or 2010.

For example according to the sliding timescale disco was still one of the dominant mainstream music genres in 2010, just so everything about Dazzler's current age, career and classic stories make sense.

Which in turn would mean that around 50 genres or styles of eletronic dance music evolved or became popular within less than 13 years afterwards.

By trying to be "up to date" the Marvel comics make it much more difficult for potential new readers to take their continuity seriously, when it's so blatantly inconnsistent with the world they take place in or the real world.

So perhaps it would be better for the main Marvel Comics Universe to embrace a sort of modern "hyborian age" taking place somewhere in the late 80's or early 90's and mix various forms of anachronism.

Just like how the classic Batman cartoon of the 1990's was designed to look vaguely 1950's in terms of aesthetics, but featured a mixture of modern and even futuristic technologies. Giving it a much more "timeless" feel.

I don't think so. All Marvel does is have to meet the fans half way. No more, no less.

[Micabe]

if there isn't any time shenanigans he'll be like over 100 years old which then calls into question his relationship with Xavier which turn calls into question the First Class

Exactly how did you come to the grand conclusion that Erik's backstory as time goes on from WW2 into the present and on into the future would make him out to be over 100 years old?

[charliehustle415]

Exactly how did you come to the grand conclusion that Erik's backstory as time goes on from WW2 into the present and on into the future would make him out to be over 100 years old?

what?

if he was born pre WW2 he's old AF, wasn't he like 15 when he was in the camps?

[Rev9]

what?

if he was born pre WW2 he's only AF, wasn't he like 15 when he was in the camps?

Some are just not good with dates, even if Magneto was 10 years old in May/September 1945, he would still be like 88 years old today. So yes there have to be contortions in-story to peg him to WW2 while keeping him young in the present

[Psy-lock]

They should adapt this story

Only instead of getting his age back by Erik The Red, he grows up naturally.

[Uncanny X-Man]

They should adapt this story

Only instead of getting his age back by Erik The Red, he grows up naturally.

LOL this is the best answer so far, close the thread.

[The Thunderbird]

I just thought up of something involving time dilation. In the MCU there's plenty of places to hide out in outer space right? What if Asteroid M in the MCU was orbiting a large black hole in a distant part of the universe? The fact that time passes for people close to a black hole much slower than people on Earth is a concept rooted in actual astrophysics and large black holes are fairly safe to orbit as long as everyone is shielded from radiation and doesn't go near the event horizon. Maybe Magneto arrived there around the 1960s or so whenever through alien help or super science and by the time he and possibly other mutants reach Earth they will have barely aged while everyone else is living the 2020s on Earth.

[charliehustle415]

Some are just not good with dates, even if Magneto was 10 years old in May/September 1945, he would still be like 88 years old today. So yes there have to be contortions in-story to peg him to WW2 while keeping him young in the present

yeah sometimes I just don't understand where critical thinking goes.

[yogaflame]

Some are just not good with dates, even if Magneto was 10 years old in May/September 1945, he would still be like 88 years old today. So yes there have to be contortions in-story to peg him to WW2 while keeping him young in the present

Magneto would have been 10 at the very beginning of the war, not at the end. In Magneto Testament, it specifies that he was 9 years old in September of 1935, so we have a rough estimate of his birthdate being in 1926. So, yeah, he's very close to 100, certainly so by the time an MCU X-Men film comes to fruition(if ever....).

[yogaflame]

For me, I think the Fox films ran Magneto's character into the ground, ad nauseum. I'm not saying an MCU Magneto shouldn't be done, or that one couldn't be done to even exceed what we've already got, but I do think you can do a very successful X-Men project without Magneto. Even more, you can do Magneto stories without the Holocaust. Original X-Men Magneto never had a definitive backstory. He and Charles never had a definitive back story. In that entire original run. Giant Size X-Men successfully relaunched the X-Men, without Magneto. Even the first few fights between the new X-Men and Magneto were done completely without any of his nuanced backstory(which Claremont would only later define). In the Ultimate universe, Magneto didn't have that Holocaust backstory at all. His parents were rich Canadians if I recall? That part didn't matter at all, but they did focus on Charles and Eric having a friendship, and starting a mutant colony together in Antarctica.

If they reaaaaallly want to keep the Holocaust backstory for MCU Magneto, some kind of frozen hibernation or the Stranger taking him to space or whatever, back in the day, is the only reasonable route. A Magneto that has had his powers active since the 40's/50's, but still hasn't taken over the world by the 2020's is a Magneto that has utterly failed.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Just make him an external.

[Foon4000]

Mystique, Destiny and Logan are 200+ years old. Exodus is 800+ years old. Apocalypse is 2000+ years old. It's already canon that some mutants age very, very, very slowly. Magneto and Xavier were born in the late 1930s and met in post-1945 Israel. It's not a No Prize winning solution.

[shooshoomanjoe]

They should adapt this story

Only instead of getting his age back by Erik The Red, he grows up naturally.

They did adapt this story. But the 1970s was a long time ago.