How I missed being hyped for a Spider-man comic.
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I'm interested in seeing Tony show up. The article Marvel that listed these solicitations mentioned Harry and Peter (potentially with Otto helping based on the cover) are trying to hack the suits.
I wonder how Tony will feel about that and how / if he's going to get Peter involved in the Ultimates Resistance.
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"The Enigma Force is not a tool to be manipulated by mortals. The Enigma Force comes to those it deems worthy. What temerity, what arrogance, makes you think you are worthy? Have you not all made mistakes? Unforgiveable ones?" - Captain Universe
"Call me an Avenging Angel, Baron, come to safeguard Earth...call me CAPTAIN UNIVERSE!" - Ray Coffin
"You're my heart, Mary Jane Watson...you're my jackpot." - Peter Parker
I enjoy Ultimate Tony so far and the age thing or the character don't bother me. I'm looking forward to his reappearance and seeing how he interacts with Peter and potentially Harry.
Plus as he's the primary story driver in advancing the overall Ultimate Universe narrative, another thing I am enjoying, I am pretty intrigued to see his next appearance
I generally have an issue with the use of nostalgia in superhero comics in general, so that may be my issue here (but then again, that's my issue with most superhero comics. I just think most use nostalgia as a crutch, tbh).
I don't disagree with the subversion, but what are some examples that you see?
Keep in mind that you have about as much chance of changing my mind as I do of changing yours.
That's a fair criticism. Though I'd argue that the present 616 is far more guilty of using nostalgia as a "crutch" than what Hickman is doing.
Hickman has already pivoted away from several traditional expectations for Spider-man's origins:
- Peter getting his powers as a middle aged man as opposed to being a teenager.
- Peter not being a social outcast/bullied prior to the spider-bite. (He may have been that in his teen years but outgrew it regardless of the spider.)
- May being taken off the table in favor of developing Uncle Ben.
- J Jonah Jameson being portrayed as having a familial relationship with the Parkers.
- Harry and Peter not having an established friendship and instead meeting eachother for the first time in costume.
- Norman Osborn being taken off the table immediately.
- Gwen Stacy (or a Gwen/MJ composite girl next door) not being portrayed as Peter's first love.
And despite these changes, all of the major players largely feel in-keeping with their 616 origins. This doesn't feel like change for the sake of change (which is what I did not like about Bendis' Ultimate) or another one of many attempts at "modernizing" 616 continuity (Chapter One, Ultimate, Life Story, Spidey, etc. and the various adaptations in other media) , but Hickman shuffling the deck by putting familiar characters in drastically new circumstances. Which IMO is an exciting place for an au to begin.
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Hickman's entire new Ultimate universe is a deliberate subversion of 616 (not just USM but even the other books):
-Peter becoming Spider-Man as an adult after he already understands responsibility, and now having to learn what power is like.
-Jameson being a decent dude.
-Uncle Ben and Gwen being alive, and Aunt May being dead.
-Peter not losing his parents until high school (so not having orphan trauma since childhood).
-Harry's Goblin being heroic.
-Tony Stark being a teenager and extremely heroic (so not having all the character flaws of his 616 version).
-Hulk being a calm monk but challenging it all in a villainous way (as opposed to 616 Hulk who is aggressive but is ultimately a hero/antihero).
-Cap never being found.
-Reed losing his family and becoming this world's Doctor Doom, but is still a hero (unlike 616 Doom who is a villain).
-Thor growing up under Loki's rule.
-Matt becoming a law-abiding priest instead of a vigilante public servant.
-The X-Men being a team of women (hence the irony of X-Men).
I'm sure I'm missing a few.
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