Thank you Lord, for saying what needs to be said! Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) never leave the circle jerk cabal of DC higher ups conversation in comics, movies and shows. Why? Look at their aesthetic. Good looking easily relatable to human appearances. They transition from normal looking citizens to chiseled, well built heroes easily in any medium. He got the hook from the very DC office some think are doing him well from a mini he was the lead of. You know who they placed in there? Some nobody Green Lantern! You think the actor was the actor was the reason they didn't do a Cyborg movie? Naw it's the prospect of paying millions for all the extra tech crap they'll have to CGI on him before they even get to the movie. You think if they go with at least a Smallville version upgrade for Vic, the prospect of a good movie would be better, yes it would be.
Maaan, nothing hurt more than what they did to Vic in Justice League: Odyssey! The disrespect of reducing him to a “ping”.
And yes, how much easier would it be to use him in live-action if he didn’t need constant cgi or prosthetics? A glowing eye could be enough of a visual to show him interacting with some form of tech without it being necessary to blow money on so much CGI. The when it’s time, deck him out in tech. It may even be possible that a much more notable actor could show interest in playing him being that his face wouldn’t have to be covered up 100% of the time.
Advance the concept of Victor Stone.
A lot of editing and deleting...
1. Let's leave the sarcastic, back-handed general insults off the board.
2. Accusations of either someone being a racist or claims that you'll be called one if you post are out of line.
Take it down a notch, guys.
Lol nice one. Why are so many people stuck on seeing Victor as a back of the bus hero when just by nature of what he is, there's no reason for him to stay a Frankenstein. Point of how technology advances, including advanced alien technology is the contradiction of his appearance.
MORGAN HAMPTON / DC EDITORIAL
*and folks interested in data
I took the time to tabulate how much support there was / is for Cyborg to:
1. Maintain his current face plate look
or
2. Remove the face plate and / or allow Cyborg to alter his appearance at will (i.e. there is nothing preventing him from doing it at all)
My personal experience when discussing this issue has shown me that about 30-35% of Cyborg fans / interested parties * want to keep the face plate * (as evidenced by a previous post in this thread). I wondered how that % compares to this threads participants opinions considering this is a thread of people interested in, financially invested in and knowledgeable about the Cyborg character.
As of October 12th , 2023 this thread has provided this data:
40 unique posters have provided input on their Cyborg visual preference
35% (14 of 40) DO NOT WANT the face plate on the character and/or they want Cyborg to display an ability to alter his facial appearance at will.
32.5% (13 of 40) WANT the face plate to be maintained
32.5% (13 of 40) "Abstained" and provided no definitive answer.
Over a 1/3 of the interested parties ("fans") either:
* aren't financially supporting the character based upon this face plate issue
* would financially support the character *more* if the face plate issue were remedied
This is data pulled from comic book fans on a comic book forum - your core audience.
That much division exists within your *core audience* over this single issue.
Imagine boosting comic book sales by 15 , 20 or 30% based upon fixing this one issue due to new or renewed interest in the character.
I'd imagine "image conscious parents Joe and Jane Normie " , who may be choosing between your product (action figures, clothing, comic books, etc.) and Marvels, for their child would be better served and swayed by providing them with a more visually appealing Cyborg offering.
I know i would.
Last edited by Customizer; 10-11-2023 at 11:47 PM.
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Interesting take on the numbers, more people DON'T want the plate than do, so somehow you see that as a win for the people that do want it?
Imagine kids that found Cyborg from the cartoons or movie and want more stuff with him, but can't find it because the stuff you're putting out doesn't look like Cyborg.I'd imagine "image conscious parents Joe and Jane Normie " , who may be choosing between your product (action figures, clothing, comic books, etc.) and Marvels, for their child would be better served and swayed by providing them with a more visually appealing Cyborg offering.
This isn't an "either or" situation nor a "zero sum conflict".
This data shows that *both*...*all* Cyborg fans can get what they want by DC confirming and showcasing what is already past canon (2015 Cyborg run) - that Cyborg can alter his appearance at will.
I assume everyone here is a Cyborg supporter or they wouldn't be chiming in.
It doesn't have to be one side wins and another loses.
In addition a whole new group of Cyborg fans will be created due to this (assuming the ability is showcased).
Imagine parents that have discovered Cyborg from the cartoons or movie and not wanting more stuff with him for their child because of Cyborgs appearance.Imagine kids that found Cyborg from the cartoons or movie and want more stuff with him, but can't find it because the stuff you're putting out doesn't look like Cyborg.
Now they don't have to choose Sam Wilson, Steve Rogers , Iron Man or T'Challa .
You don't have to lose in this scenario Alan.
Last edited by Customizer; 10-12-2023 at 01:53 AM.
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We got how many versions of Spider-Man and Batman in costumes they never wore in comics? I see a BUNCH of them collecting dust on toy isles for Batman including the ones from Todd McFarlane.
We have a Smallville figure of Cyborg without the face plate.
We have 4 Static figures. Not one is in his Young Justice outfit or his current one.
We have had Black Lightning in an outfit in stores in the Total Justice Line. Mind you we were still almost 10 years away from him being seen in tv or movies and the one comic that he had with the outfit would NOT see a trade for another 15. Huntress and Kyle were in that line-neither was on tv or in movies yet those toys were on the shelf.
The Wallace West figures who DOESN'T look like Keiynan Lonsdale- had NO selling.
Where is the Batman Car show Duke Thomas figure at??? Instead of the 3 that are out now including his current outfit that was a figure 3 years before Wayne Family Adventures came out?
And we got an entire line of Star Trek The Next Generation figures in outfits they NEVER wore on tv or in movies. See Star Trek Generation movie figures. The cast wore Deep Space 9 uniforms in the movie. We never saw the cast as cadets-yet those figures exist.
Same with TMNT. We never saw TMNT on Star Trek and don't think they won't toss out the human versions of them from Power Rangers eventually.
We get stuff made that doesn't match the tv or movies all the time.
Yet it still at times sells.