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    Default The double standard regarding shazam family and Wonder Woman

    I usually see some comic fans talking about how the marvel family, shazam, mary are equal to superman but WW isn't. And saying shazam is far above WW in power, because the powers from multiple Gods, even though WW also has powers from multiple Gods. And she has been for decades, introduced as stronger than Hercules, faster than Mercury and Wise as Athena. They have the same type of power source and power statements. Yet they love to say he is above WW. This is the typical case of female characters getting the short end of the stick. Statements, feats, battles. WW has had plenty of history publicastion proving her power. Yet we must think of her as ant, next to characters whose overall catalogue does not have better power showings than her. Make it make sense.
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    Because Diana doesn’t wear her cape often enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt View Post
    Because Diana doesn’t wear her cape often enough.
    Perfect answer.
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    Because they Superman and Captain Marvel/Shazam have been depicted that way throughout publication, while her being equal or superior to Marvel has never been depicted consistently (if at all).

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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderLight789 View Post
    I usually see some comic fans talking about how shazam is equal to superman but WW isn't. And saying shazam is far above WW in power, because he has powers from multiple Gods, even though WW also has powers from multiple Gods. And she has been for decades, introduced as stronger than Hercules, faster than Mercury and Wise as Athena. They have the same type of power source and power statements. Yet they love to say he is above WW. Why the double standard?
    I have thought this same thing for a long time, WonderLight789.

    I remember a nasty poster years ago who talked down to me in an answer about this (question not addressed to him, but of course he was in the forum) which stated that while Diana may have some godly attributes and be "magical", the Marvels all transform into a magical body which is inherently stronger and more powerful than Diana. They are empowered by gods/goddesses. The Marvels are magical, have magical powers and their powers all stem from magic. He ended with a "you got it now?!?" type of comment. Ughhh....

    Maybe we need a modern fight between Diana and all of the Marvel family members....to see Diana win!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    Because they Superman and Captain Marvel/Shazam have been depicted that way throughout publication, while her being equal or superior to Marvel has never been depicted consistently (if at all).
    That is not true. Superman has been shown to be superior to shazam far more often than not. He has far better feats than shazam. And WW has better feats than shazam too.

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    I mean I always viewed her as stronger. Diana is literally either a demi-god or a goddess in her own right, that makes her stronger then Shazam because he uses gods powers and I assume she could take Superman if she wanted but you know that’s not entirely fun to see outside of a webshow like Deathbattle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt View Post
    Because Diana doesn’t wear her cape often enough.
    Your answer doesn't make sense.

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    Captain Marvel is supposed to have unlimited strength, speed, stamina and the works... technically, he should be the most powerful physical combatant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderLight789 View Post
    I usually see some comic fans talking about how shazam is equal to superman but WW isn't. And saying shazam is far above WW in power, because he has powers from multiple Gods, even though WW also has powers from multiple Gods. And she has been for decades, introduced as stronger than Hercules, faster than Mercury and Wise as Athena. They have the same type of power source and power statements. Yet they love to say he is above WW. Why the double standard?
    ^^^Durability.

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    Probably because Captain Marvel stories have more ridiculous feats compared to Diana just being a martial artist.
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    Pre-flashpoint and Post flashpoint/New 52 Shazam does not have unlimited strength and speed . Current canon shazam like current canon superman have near limitless super strength and strength wise they are equal.He does have limitless stamina,so he has one power that is limitless but most of his powers are not. In comics shazam has beaten superman,tie superman, and superman has beaten him. Anyway he is superman level superhero.

    Post flashpoint/New 52 Shazam Hercules is stronger then woman woman by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riv86672 View Post
    ^^^Durability.
    What about it? He is not more durable either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mace11 View Post
    Pre-flashpoint and Post flashpoint/New 52 Shazam does not have unlimited strength and speed . Current canon shazam like current canon superman have near limitless super strength and strength wise they are equal.He does have limitless stamina,so he has one power that is limitless but most of his powers are not. In comics shazam has beaten superman,tie superman, and superman has beaten him. Anyway he is superman level superhero.

    Post flashpoint/New 52 Shazam Hercules is stronger then woman woman by the way.
    I mean isn't Wonder Woman supposed to be Superman level too? It's just that the books portrays Shazam's god powers better than Wonder Woman's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Probably because Captain Marvel stories have more ridiculous feats compared to Diana just being a martial artist.
    shazam hasn't had ridiculous feats of power in a long time. And Diana has her good amount of those too.
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