Is the Spider-Man editorial approach out of touch instead of just spiteful?

[PCN24454]

Nor really. 616 Miles the high schooler is more relatable with younger readers far more than the 30 year old former high school teacher who espoused the beauty of Ella Fitzgerald’s music.


Precisely. Miles is RIGHT THERE as the young, hip, teen, unmarried Spider-Man they so desperately wish Peter still was.

It’s a reach. Peter was barely even in that movie and it didn’t really make him look good.

[Spidey_Legend]

Well it’s not like he stays behind to clean up the collateral damage he sometimes causes.

Pretty difficult to do that when the police acted like stupid and start shooting him instead of arresting the villain and there are witness that the villain cause the mayhem.

[Daibhidh]

A lot of people will grow up with Spider-man's status quo being a middle aged worn-out mess? You might like the fact that he's still married, but other than that, the Spider-verse does not paint Peter in a good light.

As opposed to the comics where he's a middle-aged worn-out divorced mess?

[wleakr]

As opposed to the comics where he's a middle-aged worn-out divorced mess?

Divorced??

[Agent Z]

But her argument doesn't make any sense, he's not the only one with secret identity. And it's not fair to use Fantastic Four and Avengers as an example that his approach isn't right, since they have completely different lifestyle.
And quite frankly, I never got this whole thing about superheroes not trusting him/disliking him. All of top-players are either close friends with him (Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange, Wolverine, Daredevil) or have a huge respect for him (Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Xavier, Cyclops). Basically, everyone, whose opinion actually matters.

From what I understand, only the original Avengers had proper secret identities were backed up by public authority figures. Cap theoretically answered to the US government and Iron Man's cover was being Tony's personal bodyguard. So even if their identities weren't known to the public, there was at least someone who could be trusted to hold them to account. Bruce's identity eventually got outed and Thor had Donald Blake but as far as most of the world knew he was just a thunder god and went off to do whatever gods do when he wasn't fighting evil. Janet didn't conceal her identity and maybe Jank didn't.

That's a lot different from a random person answering to no one while hiding his identity.

[Agent Z]

Divorced??

Of course not. That would make him too old.

[Daibhidh]

Divorced??

He used to be married. He isn't married anymore. Therefore, he's divorced.

It may not be how he consciously remembers it, but that's what happened and it's what he subconsciously remembers. That he doesn't consciously know the truth only makes him more of a worn out mess.

[Frontier]

From what I understand, only the original Avengers had proper secret identities were backed up by public authority figures. Cap theoretically answered to the US government and Iron Man's cover was being Tony's personal bodyguard. So even if their identities weren't known to the public, there was at least someone who could be trusted to hold them to account. Bruce's identity eventually got outed and Thor had Donald Blake but as far as most of the world knew he was just a thunder god and went off to do whatever gods do when he wasn't fighting evil. Janet didn't conceal her identity and maybe Jank didn't.

That's a lot different from a random person answering to no one while hiding his identity.

The original Avengers also didn't have to juggle the stuff Peter did and didn't have as dedicated a smear campaign working against them.

[Vegan]

A lot of people will grow up with Spider-man's status quo being a middle aged worn-out mess? You might like the fact that he's still married, but other than that, the Spider-verse does not paint Peter in a good light.

I guess we watched different movies, because Peter B, despite being a mess and a frequent butt of jokes, consistently proves himself as a capable and competent hero

[Alan2099]

I guess we watched different movies, because Peter B, despite being a mess and a frequent butt of jokes, consistently proves himself as a capable and competent hero

You're saying you disagree, but you follow that up saying he's a mess and a frequent butt of jokes which is what I was saying.

[Vegan]

You're saying you disagree, but you follow that up saying he's a mess and a frequent butt of jokes which is what I was saying.

Then I don’t see how he’s not portrayed in a good light. A joke or two at his expense because he has a bit of a gut doesn’t counteract that he’s able to infiltrate a super science lab, escape from a battle with a version of Doctor Octopus who’s extremely effective and dangerous, contributes to Miles becoming a great super hero, and manages to repair his damaged relationship with his ex-wife.

[godisawesome]

Peter B. Parker has undoubtedly had his story make him a cool dad to his little girl, and given him back a happy marriage, while proving to be, yes, a successful mentor; his adventures in costume and single life while divorced seem to still have roughly the same success and failure rate as any "conventional" single Peter.

Yes, the current comic Spider-Man doesn't come out of a comparison with Peter B. looking good, and arguably, neither does most of the OMD era versions of Peter either. They ALL, Peter B. included, have ups and downs and "cringingly" sad moments, and all at their lowest are aiming for "lovable loser" vibes...

...But where they diverge is that Peter B., partially as a multiverse version of the character and partially because he's explicitly supposed to be older and more experience dot contrast with Miles, has his "ups" include being married to MJ (twice) and having a daughter, two things that are completely off limits to comic Spider-Man at the moment.

Interestingly, Peter B. can theoretically have his home life 100% in order and happy as a contrast with him getting beat down in costume, or being a dork in general - which lets some audience members like myself healthily compartmentalize the two sides of his character. That is not the case in the current comics.

[Knightsilver]

The key differences between Peter B and OMD Peter...is that while Peter B started off in a rut...he managed to get out of it and put his life back together. You can start a character off being down and out...but it's important that the character eventually triumphs in the end. OMD Peter however started in a hole...and keeps getting into even deeper ones. 616 Peter at this point is a pathetic wretch that is just sad to even see.

[Alan2099]

The key differences between Peter B and OMD Peter...is that while Peter B started off in a rut...he managed to get out of it and put his life back together. You can start a character off being down and out...but it's important that the character eventually triumphs in the end. OMD Peter however started in a hole...and keeps getting into even deeper ones. 616 Peter at this point is a pathetic wretch that is just sad to even see.

Peter B spent 15 in-universe years being a pathetic wretch. Most of it off camera. It's easier for time to pass off camera. To equal how bad he's screwed everything up, we'd have at least 30 years of realtime loser Spider-man to even come close.

Then I don’t see how he’s not portrayed in a good light. A joke or two at his expense because he has a bit of a gut doesn’t counteract that he’s able to infiltrate a super science lab, escape from a battle with a version of Doctor Octopus who’s extremely effective and dangerous, contributes to Miles becoming a great super hero, and manages to repair his damaged relationship with his ex-wife.

Be honest, how big of a fit would you be throwing right now if Spider-man was running around looking like a homeless guy with a pot belly?

[Mister Mets]

Peter B spent 15 in-universe years being a pathetic wretch. Most of it off camera. It's easier for time to pass off camera. To equal how bad he's screwed everything up, we'd have at least 30 years of realtime loser Spider-man to even come close.


Be honest, how big of a fit would you be throwing right now if Spider-man was running around looking like a homeless guy with a pot belly?

And that wouldn't be a temporary status quo. It could easily be multiple runs before you get to the point where he gets his shit together.