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    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    I haven't told anyone they are "wrong". I have provided my stance on this subject and evidence in support of said stance.
    Repeating the whole "don't campaign for OMD to be undone; just buy AU comics" statement sure comes across as that. (And once again, is is this really the place to discuss this specific topic?). So far as providing evidence, I don't think you're breaking any new ground here; repeating the same thing over and over again only goes so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    Again, I've never stated my opinion is fact or called someone's opinion wrong. I don't have to say IMO in every single post. It's an internet message board. Opinion is already implied.
    Not how you're coming across.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    A few posters have pointed out that what made MJ the perfect choice for Peter to marry was that she was completely supportive of him being Spider-Man. This is more or less how the marriage was depicted throughout its existence. Even when there was external drama, MJ continued to support Peter's dual role. Hardly realistic. But again, the counter to it is that she isn't supportive and comes across as a shrew, or Peter is constantly letting down his family to be Spider-Man.
    "Heads I win, tails you lose," huh?

    Also, in general, from what I remember, most depictions of the relationship (that weren't trying written with an agenda to tear it down), dealt with complications that came from Peter's double life. Some of the '90s prose novels did that pretty well, the Venom arc in RYV used the superhero elements as a metaphor for the give and take in a marriage, and it's certainly long been a characterization that MJ's catch-22 of sorts is that she wishes Peter didn't have the Spider-Man calling but the sense of responsibility and moral character that leads him to it is a reason she fell in love with him in the first place. Heck, even the Ultimate comics, which were "just" about high school sweethearts, didn't shy away from just how hard a relationship would be.


    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    Well, since I'm a sergeant for a law enforcement agency that I've worked at for 12 years AND have a wife and daughter, I may be the most suited to answer this question...
    With all due respect, I find your logic faulty, at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    As I stated previously, there's a difference in Peter letting down his girlfriend, his job, his teacher, etc., versus him letting down his wife and children.
    And, as stated before, that's something that happens in life no matter what.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    Interestingly, when the original Ultimate Spider-Man came out, offering an alternative for fans not in favor of the marriage and wanting a younger Peter, those fans were referred to that series by fans in favor of the marriage in lieu of the 616 titles. And when it became evident that Marvel was going to undo the marriage, fans constantly referenced Ultimate Spider-Man as a reason the marriage didn't need to be undone - there already was a single Spider-Man in comic books. Now that I'm more or less telling fans of the marriage the same thing by directing them towards the new Ultimate Spider-Man, they don't like that response.

    My my my, how the turntables.
    So, the series that repeatedly stated that Peter and MJ wanted to get married when they were adults, was very up front that the two of them were in love for real, ended with them basically eloping, and debuting at a time when the editors were trying to erase the marriage in 616 was meant to be an anti-marriage comic? That some pretty impressive pretzel logic. I mean, does it at least follow that the audience of that series would heavily overlap with fans of the marriage?

    Funny story, but do you know why I'm such a fan of Peter and MJ being a married couple? USM was my first Spider-Man comic and it's still one of the most anti-OMD things Marvel ever authorized.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    The misconception about Star Trek is that it didn't have support or ratings when it initially aired. This isn't true. Star Trek was almost canceled not because of ratings but because it was expensive to produce and Gene Roddenberry wasn't well-liked. It was brought back for a third season because fans did write in, but NBC all but sabotaged it by taking away all of Roddenberry's power, slashing its budget, and and moving it to the Friday night death slot.
    Look, the save Star Trek campaign has been heavily mythologized, but the point still remains that viewers wrote in and that did have an impact. You can say as much as you like that letter writing to the Spider-Man editors is a waste of time, but what if it does make a difference

    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    In any event, I've been referenced to Spider-Man 2 sellng 5 milion copies. Spider-Man 2 features a single Peter Parker. Do you think a petition that has, say, 10,000 signatures in favor of bringing the marriage back would have more or less impact than Spider-Man 2's 5 million copies, Ultimate Spider-Man outselling ASM consistently by thousands and thousands of units?
    Irrelevant; the comic's sales numbers and customer base are a different demographic. Also, using pro-Peter/MJ material like the games and USM comics, which have heavy overlap in target audience, kinda weakens the point (e.g. Peter/MJ being a couple is "normal" Spider-Man and the single OMD variant is off-brand); if anything, it shows that there's more of an audience for the marriage and sundry than there is for the editors' beloved OMD Spider-Man.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    Again, Ultimate Spider-Man outsold ASM and the other 616 titles for the first few years of its publication. All Star Superman outsold the main Superman titles. It's certainly possible for an AU Spider-Man to outsell the primary universe titles.
    So, the moral of the story is that a comic series about Peter and MJ being a couple outselling the core series is proof that Marvel shouldn't have them be a couple there? Feel like we're splitting hairs here, at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    Despite my feeling that it's a waste of time and resources since voting with your wallet will be the only thing Marvel listens to, nothing. But again, I'm reminded of the early and mid-00's when fans of the marriage were telling fans against the marriage to Ultimate Spider-Man.
    Sending an email takes what, a few minutes? Not sure how that's much of a waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebLurker View Post
    Sending an email takes what, a few minutes? Not sure how that's much of a waste.
    It takes just as much time to post a message here as it does to shoot off a quick email.
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    Just saw this linked on Reddit. Probably nothing, but an interesting statement nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebLurker View Post
    Just saw this linked on Reddit. Probably nothing, but an interesting statement nonetheless.
    Just a bit of an update.

    We've almost tripled in size since the last post. Ultimate Spider-Man is causing a huge influx of new members joining. The reception to USM being so positive really has helped.

    This thing has - thankfully - grown far beyond my means. I wasn't sure if I'd get even a dozen people to join. I honestly didn't know how passionate fans would be for this campaign. The response has humbled me, and I'm happy to have delegated a lot of the moderating and brainstorming to other talented individuals.

    Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone here for helping it get off the ground. 2024 is looking to be quite the transitional year for the character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garlador View Post
    Just a bit of an update.

    We've almost tripled in size since the last post. Ultimate Spider-Man is causing a huge influx of new members joining. The reception to USM being so positive really has helped.

    This thing has - thankfully - grown far beyond my means. I wasn't sure if I'd get even a dozen people to join. I honestly didn't know how passionate fans would be for this campaign. The response has humbled me, and I'm happy to have delegated a lot of the moderating and brainstorming to other talented individuals.

    Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone here for helping it get off the ground. 2024 is looking to be quite the transitional year for the character.
    Many thanks to you and your team for fighting the good fight!

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