"He's pure power and doesn't even know it. He's the best of us."-Matt Murdock
"I need a reason to take the mask off."-Peter Parker
"My heart half-breaks at how easy it is to lie to him. It breaks all the way when he believes me without question." Felicia Hardy
"He's pure power and doesn't even know it. He's the best of us."-Matt Murdock
"I need a reason to take the mask off."-Peter Parker
"My heart half-breaks at how easy it is to lie to him. It breaks all the way when he believes me without question." Felicia Hardy
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I read like a couple dozen of those probably.
The first story arc I read from the Amazing Spider-Man series was Back in Black. My initial impression was that it was very dark for a Spider-Man story, but I understand that story was just a one-off thing (Spider-Man stories that are that dark and have Peter act that angry are quite rare from what I've seen).
That arc was probably not a good introduction story for someone getting into the series, I suppose.
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https://www.census.gov/library/stori...rce-rates.html
Well, it still declined noticeably from 2011 to 2021. Not huge but noticeable.
It is far more noticeable when you factor in the earlier decades. Compare the 1980s when Peter and MJs wedding issue came out to today.
https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources...-fp-22-25.html
Sure but I told you I personally don't care about that aspect of the character.
I’ve gotten accidentally blackout drunk before. For Peter who doesn’t drink I can easily imagine him drinking too much without realizing. Again I get the consent stuff so I’ll leave
That alone.
And re MJ it’s easy really, I just like when she’s not annoying. Most of my exposure to her as Peter’s wife I find annoying. I actually liked supportive non annoying non denial while still having agency like Wells had in Beyond or Spencer in the last arc. Both of which doesn’t have
Them married.
I was actually going to mention that I think the Peter/MJ fan "equivalent" to the drunk hook-up with Michelle is probably the "young married couple getting kinky" stuff in the late 80's, early 90's; I think both bits of "fan service" in this case sort of reflect different priorities and philosophies on Peter/Spider-Man, and his supporting cast. I'm not accusing you of anything, I just think it's interesting.
Like... I've always thought Michelle's biggest conceptual problem for more "romantic" fans, *and* for "anti-soap opera" fans like myself, was that she was designed for an inherently shallow, brief, and exclusively "yuk-yuk, horny young people and the conflict that ensues, amirite?" storytelling, where Michelle was more of an archetype than a character, and there's a sort of built-in "...maybe don't look to closely at this; it's meant to just be some light-weight, time-wasting fun and drama, no biggie, it won't last" aspect.
In contrast, I've always seen MJ and Peter's shared subplot as being more of a "sitcom with costars" subplot when funny, and a "slice of life drama with costars" when serious, where MJ is inherently meant to be a bit more equal to Peter regarding their POVs, with a maybe more saccharine "Ah, young love... such a fascinating mix of horniness and emotional intimacy, amirite?" type of story, and a bit more weight on the love life stuff compared to the Michelle situation.
Personally, I can see how both can be boring or frustrating when written badly, and I get the appeal of the "horniness aspect" in both ... but I always find myself more tolerant of female characters who are still meant to be deuteragonists rather than just eye candy, and more forgiving of failed sitcom or "slice of life" writing than I am of "Meet Cute #36, Where We Never Want to Get Beyond This Too Much If We Can Help It" and "Interchangeable Hot Chick #35." (I also think that Carly Cooper suffered from "generic love interest syndrome" when first introduced, and then only really expanded when writers started wanting to write her independent of the role they saw for her.)
Of cours,e i'm also the guy who doesn't care about Bond Girl #4 is she's just a hot chock he sleeps with, and prefer even non-romantic Action Bond Girls to them.
Like action, adventure, rogues, and outlaws? Like anti-heroes, femme fatales, mysteries and thrillers?
I wrote a book with them. Outlaw’s Shadow: A Sherwood Noir. Robin Hood’s evil counterpart, Guy of Gisbourne, is the main character. Feel free to give it a look: https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asi...E2PKBNJFH76GQP
This was really well put. I’ll agree that I think the writers were aiming for a take on the trope of the
Drunken weddings, but in portrayal of those hijinx they didn’t think about the character in terms of things like consent and agency. Makes a lot of that icky. I don’t have a preference for love interest or foils though. Some can be a quick interaction to advance a plot,you can also have a more thought out character if the goal is to have them stick around. Sometimes the former ends up evolving into the latter. Depends on the stories, just have to keep the integrity of the character intact no matter which route you go.
I honestly wasn’t expected out campaign to get called out so quickly - we’re literally just starting! - but it seems Tom Brevoort had some choice words for us today on his blog.
… I mean, I’m surprised but glad to know it’s already a talking point at the offices. I’ll continue to emphasize our feedback is polite and respectful, but honest and well-articulated. Apologies in advance to Mr. Brevoort for the influx of letters planned next week.
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