While I see your point, I'd argue that pop culture has become more literate and sophisticated - there was nothing comparable to Succession or Breaking Bad or The Good Place on television in the 1960s, at all. There are also many writers in comics who are obviously drawing from their deep knowledge pools.
But not on Amazing Spider-Man.
“I always figured if I were a superhero, there’s no way on God's earth that I'm gonna pal around with some teenager."
— Stan Lee
I think it is more of an issue that comics don't define these characters as much as the movies do the movies do for most people. So writers are more likely to pull from movies then they are from the actual pages of the comic without realizing whether or not their assumptions are the status of Spider-Man is 'wrong' per the continuity
God, I hate Civil War.
Pro-registration is clearly the correct position (in the real world), so they had to make Tony into a fascist jailer. (Which is why I don't like stories where the premise rejects a basic element of superhero stories, like how and why people have secret ids).
So, for whatever reason, Marvel is just not putting its best and brightest on its flagship solo hero title anymore.
It kind of did, but more in the broad sense of, "Do superheroes take responsibility and let themselves be held accountable for the damage their (well-intentioned) actions may cause, or do they insist that they know best and don't have to answer to anyone who might (rightfully) complain about the collateral damage and innocent casualties in their wake?" Of course, the argument is somewhat complicated in that we the audience, along with Steve Rogers, know that Bucky Barnes was brainwashed into a living assassination weapon by HYDRA for decades and therefore has at least diminished responsibility for his actions. That's not getting into how the events of The Winter Soldier taught Steve that he couldn't always trust the government or other such institutions to protect the common good as opposed to their bottom lines or power bases, even well before he learned from Zola's digitized consciousness that they'd almost all been long coopted by HYDRA, so Steve being suspicious of the intent and/or outcome of the Accords wasn't entirely misplaced.
Even more so, the guy pushing hardest for the Accords was the same guy who spent years hunting down Bruce Banner/Hulk in the hopes of weaponizing his transformations and the power they could unleash and was never held accountable for his part in the destruction that ensued after his own super-soldier turned himself into the Abomination so he could get another shot at taking down the Hulk, so the inference could be made that the Accords weren't entirely about ensuring accountability for the Avengers, but turning them into a controllable asset for and of the US government. At least the movie didn't go out of its way to totally demonize Tony Stark, even if him bringing a teenaged Spider-Man/Peter Parker into that fight, notwithstanding his capabilities and formidability, was a deeply sketchy move that he never had to answer or account for in-universe, aside from a quasi-humorous exchange with Rhodey/War Machine calling out Tony in regard to Spidey's age.
The spider is always on the hunt.
Talking about MCU Civil War: a description of tragedy that I owe to the blogger El Sandifer is that tragedy as a genre happens when a hero is put into a situation that is the wrong fit for their heroic traits.
So Steve is a hero because he doesn't give up and doesn't bend, and tells the universe, you move; and he's put in a situation where he needs to recognise what he can't change in order to influence what he can change. And Tony is a hero who is used to being the smartest person in the room and making decisions on his own, and who is trying to redeem himself for his mistakes; and he's put in a situation where he needs to be diplomatic and get other people on board and not project his guilt onto other people. Both Steve and Tony keep on for sympathetic reasons doing the right thing in the worst possible way.
Of course, it helps that neither of them decides that making a murderous clone of Thor is in any way a good idea.
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Yeah, I agree. The idea that they compare it to a violation of civil rights seems ridiculous. In the real world, you don't have the right to dress up in a costume and run around beating the shit out of criminals, especially if you're killing innocent people and blowing up buildings in the crossfire. You would absolutely be arrested for that.
Also, we have enough problems with police overreach and lack of accountability. Imagine having a bunch of anonymous vigilantes running amok without any oversight.
It was just not the kind of thing to try to apply to a widespread Superhero universe.
Pretty much, yeah. It's why the MCU Civil War, and even Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2's version, worked better, though MUA2 had a happier ending, insofar as the Avengers coming together again to stop a threat created in part because of their fighting and division. If you're pro-reg, choosing that side actually ends with the SHRA reformed to remove all the morally sketchier parts of its implementation, at least by my recollection.
The spider is always on the hunt.