Variety article on "Crisis at Marvel"

[krazijoe]

Loki Season 2 draws significantly less viewers https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...165021017.html

Meh, numbers over the first 3 days...Don't they understand the viewing habits of streamers? BINGE is where it's at...

[Jared]

Meh, numbers over the first 3 days...Don't they understand the viewing habits of streamers? BINGE is where it's at...

More streaming shows have moved to weekly releases because just the opposite is true. Shows that drop a whole seaon, even when they do well, tend to have a brief spies of interest and then vanish. Even Netflix, which pioneered thr binge model, broke it up a little with Stranger Things s4.

Loki s1 was also a weekly release. Loki s2 can be directly compared to that, and it's not doing as well.

[kingaliencracker]

What I find funny in reading through this thread are the posters arguing over the accuracy of this article, when the article said absolutely nothing that we haven't known for the last couple of years:

- There have been diminishing returns for Marvel Studios at the box office through Phases 4 and 5

- The Phase 4 and 5 films have been more critically panned than films from previous phases

- The SFX team has been spread thin, causing an overall dip in quality in CGI for both the movies and the shows

- With the exceptions of Loki and Wandavision, the MCU shows have gone overbudget and not done well critically, in viewership, or both

- Blade has gone through a plethora of pre-production issues, causing the film to be delayed by 2 years

- The Marvels is projecting to be Marvel Studio's biggest bomb

- Jonathan Majors' legal problems are creating problems for how Marvel Studios is proceeding with their overall direction (not to mention how poorly the character of Kang was handled in Ant-Man 3, itself a huge disappointment)

What about any of this is being debated or disputed exactly? All of this can be proven either factually or by other corroborating reports/analysis.

[Tofali]

Variety posted this short article as DaCosta responds to questions about their article.

Nia DaCosta Says Her Marvels Departure Was Not “Dramatic”

After Variety reported that DaCosta ruffled feathers when she left The Marvels during postproduction, the director set the record straight: “They knew the entire time that I had an obligation.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...s-not-dramatic

[Jared]

Any ruffled feathers are more likely to be from Di Costa referring to it as "Kevin's movie." Like, everyone knows that's how it usually works at Marvel...most of the directors have a very limited role...but you're not supposed to say it. I believe it's previously only been said by directors who walked away or were turned away from MCU gigs.

[Pinsir]

What I find funny in reading through this thread are the posters arguing over the accuracy of this article, when the article said absolutely nothing that we haven't known for the last couple of years:

- There have been diminishing returns for Marvel Studios at the box office through Phases 4 and 5

- The Phase 4 and 5 films have been more critically panned than films from previous phases

- The SFX team has been spread thin, causing an overall dip in quality in CGI for both the movies and the shows

- With the exceptions of Loki and Wandavision, the MCU shows have gone overbudget and not done well critically, in viewership, or both

- Blade has gone through a plethora of pre-production issues, causing the film to be delayed by 2 years

- The Marvels is projecting to be Marvel Studio's biggest bomb

- Jonathan Majors' legal problems are creating problems for how Marvel Studios is proceeding with their overall direction (not to mention how poorly the character of Kang was handled in Ant-Man 3, itself a huge disappointment)

What about any of this is being debated or disputed exactly? All of this can be proven either factually or by other corroborating reports/analysis.

The article doesn't even mention the Daredevil tv show being scrapped and re-shot. As a DC fan, I can recognize a collapsing studio when I see it.

[HollowSage]

The article doesn't even mention the Daredevil tv show being scrapped and re-shot. As a DC film, I can recognize a collapsing studio when I see it.

So how long until full collapse? Ballpark? 1,3, 5 years? What are we working with?

[kingaliencracker]

The article doesn't even mention the Daredevil tv show being scrapped and re-shot. As a DC film, I can recognize a collapsing studio when I see it.

If the fact that The Marvels is projected to be a box office bomb just 4 years after its predecessor made $1 billion at the box office isn't enough to tell fans that there's trouble in paradise, then they're being purposefully obtuse, especially in light of all the other issues surrounding it.

[kingaliencracker]

So how long until full collapse? Ballpark? 1,3, 5 years? What are we working with?

Eh. I think Marvel Studios will be fine. They're going to have to adjust and probably refocus on quality versus quantity. But there's still a market for super hero films, even if some level of fatigue has set in.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

They have Fantastic Four and X-Men coming. Deadpool 3 will be a huge film and Reynolds is joining the Marvel film universe. So that should give the brand a shot in the arm.

[kingaliencracker]

They have Fantastic Four and X-Men coming. Deadpool 3 will be a huge film and Reynolds is joining the Marvel film universe. So that should give the brand a shot in the arm.

Well, we all thought Guardians 3 was going to be the shot in the arm, and that hasn't translated well for the subsequent shows or The Marvels.

[Android 17]

They have Fantastic Four and X-Men coming. Deadpool 3 will be a huge film and Reynolds is joining the Marvel film universe. So that should give the brand a shot in the arm.

With the sheer amount of craziness bound to be in Deadpool 3, it’ll definitely help. I just really hope they nail X-Men right, that’s going to lead them into the next decade if they play their cards right.

[Colossus1980]

Spider-Man 4 should help too.

[Maestro 216]

They have Fantastic Four and X-Men coming. Deadpool 3 will be a huge film and Reynolds is joining the Marvel film universe. So that should give the brand a shot in the arm.

Ignoring the elephant in the room that is the strikes with no end in sight.

[kingaliencracker]

Ignoring the elephant in the room that is the strikes with no end in sight.

The break might actually do Marvel Studios some good.