~ Oberon ~
Comic-book reading Witch and Pagan since 1970
I came for Kate, I stayed for Bette Love Fantastic Four, Namor, Batwoman, Dr.Strange.... i love them all
~ Oberon ~
Comic-book reading Witch and Pagan since 1970
I came for Kate, I stayed for Bette Love Fantastic Four, Namor, Batwoman, Dr.Strange.... i love them all
[tangent] Dr. Strange, IMO, should have, *for years* been running a sort of magical version of SHIELD, very loosely organizing and coordinating the various supernatural forces for good (or, at least, forces for 'not getting conquered by Dormammu or eaten by Shuma-Gorath', which could easily include not-so-nice mystical folk like Dr. Doom!). Magical folk from the Nexus of Realities or New Orleans or wherever New Salem is this week could coordinate their dire warnings and magical resources against various threats from other-dimensional jerks like Tiboro or the N'Garai or Chthon. Even if Strange wouldn't be 'in charge' (certainly he couldn't pick up a crystal ball and order Doom to go deal with Chthon rattling his cage a few miles away in Mt. Wundagore! He knows better than that!), he could at least provide an early warning system to local magical folk (including Doom, but also Mordred, Margali, etc.). All the various magical folk, Hellstrom, the New Salem witches, Doom, Jennifer Kale, Magik, Margali Szardos, Dr. Voodoo, could be 'linked in' to a magical network that shares information about current mystical threats, so that even if they can't all drop whatever they are doing, at least they have a heads-up about upcoming mystical threats, and, yes, sometimes call on each other for help or advice or a safe place to crash if things have gotten crazy in their neck of the woods.
His job is too damn important for one man. What if *two* things happen, at the same time? Oh well, the Sorcerer Supreme is busy dealing with Chthon in Europe. Guess Mephisto is free to devour the souls of everyone in Las Vegas, and Nightmare can send everyone in New York into a terror-filled sleep! [/tangent]
This is exactly the reason why I feel there should always be a Midnight Sons group, even if what they're doing only takes place off pannel.[tangent] Dr. Strange, IMO, should have, *for years* been running a sort of magical version of SHIELD, very loosely organizing and coordinating the various supernatural forces for good (or, at least, forces for 'not getting conquered by Dormammu or eaten by Shuma-Gorath', which could easily include not-so-nice mystical folk like Dr. Doom!). Magical folk from the Nexus of Realities or New Orleans or wherever New Salem is this week could coordinate their dire warnings and magical resources against various threats from other-dimensional jerks like Tiboro or the N'Garai or Chthon. Even if Strange wouldn't be 'in charge' (certainly he couldn't pick up a crystal ball and order Doom to go deal with Chthon rattling his cage a few miles away in Mt. Wundagore! He knows better than that!), he could at least provide an early warning system to local magical folk (including Doom, but also Mordred, Margali, etc.). All the various magical folk, Hellstrom, the New Salem witches, Doom, Jennifer Kale, Magik, Margali Szardos, Dr. Voodoo, could be 'linked in' to a magical network that shares information about current mystical threats, so that even if they can't all drop whatever they are doing, at least they have a heads-up about upcoming mystical threats, and, yes, sometimes call on each other for help or advice or a safe place to crash if things have gotten crazy in their neck of the woods.
Did you, though?
Because Blue Marvel is in the same weight class as Thor. He's a million times more useful than Namor.
And Emma? Her looser morals lend themselves well to what's supposed to be a secret group.
Both have a perfectly valid place on the team. Simply because Blue hasn't been around for 40 years doesn't impact internal logic one damn bit.
Of course, all this debate kinda misses the point of why a group that's trying to keep themselves secret thinks they can do so gathered together on an American city that's being lifted into space by one of the worst villains to exist in canon.
So the stupid plotting history of the 'Illuminati' continues.
I tell you, I'm doubling down on my hunch that the surprise plot twist will be that the Good Mirror Universe Victor Von Doom piggybacked a ride to 616 using his Ovoidian telepathy trick on Blue Marvel. It's the only thing that makes sense. Adam isn't just Adam. He's a combination of Adam and the good Doctor Doom and he's operating with the latter's insight and cunning in order to secure the MacGuffin before Thanos does.
Adam joins the Illuminati simply because good Doom advises him that all of the growth and improvement that his universe enjoyed were only possible after said MacGuffin was secured by his universe's most selfless hero. In the Good Mirror Universe, that selfless hero was Adam Brashear. This has been good Doom's plan all along. Now we get to see if it bears fruit.
Plus, Cantwell said that he couldn't use the real VVD, so this plot twist fixes that. I feel it in my bones, this is going to be huge. HUGE!!! Because Thanos hates to lose, let alone to Blue Doom Marvel.
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"The Marvel EIC Chair has a certain curse that goes along with it: it tends to drive people insane, and ultimately, out of the business altogether. It is the notorious last stop for many staffers, as once you've sat in The Big Chair, your pariah status is usually locked in." Christopher Priest
I am not against White Queen on the grounds of the sexual issues around her/influence. I don't like it when men or women are/aren't held to unrealistic standards when it comes to love, marriage etc. I believe in polyamory.
Regardless,
why not go with someone like MoonDragon? Now here would be someone to add conflict and grist to 'any' gathering.
Formidable telepath etc. Female
represents a more cosmic or space oriented region of cooperation.
~ Oberon ~
Comic-book reading Witch and Pagan since 1970
I came for Kate, I stayed for Bette Love Fantastic Four, Namor, Batwoman, Dr.Strange.... i love them all
I have no idea if I am being trolled, LOL.
I'm a comic reader, out of time. I've been reading steadily, increasingly, decreasingly since I was 11 or 12, in '67.
These days I don't read as much and tend to be out of the loop or not as conversant with....
heroes like Blue Marvel.
But I like the concept as I understand. So I can see why some posters here say he does or doesn't fit and try to rationalize.
Again, I think the idea of an iLLuminati should change, maybe slowly. Not so much a secret society but more of a
representational council, and not limiting to quotas, since really, a lot of our heroes overlap in their demographics.
Blue Marvel has at least 3 that are obvious: Major genius like Reed, et al. Major power sets like Superman analogs, and Black with a Civil Rights era past and rationale.
If the Illuminati operated as more of a council, we could get more characters rotating in for some arcs.
An arc about Russian situations could bring in Dark Star and members of those teams.
and yeah, maybe MoonDragon represents more than just women, telepaths and others. She also stands for the heroes with the most hubris, lol
~ Oberon ~
Comic-book reading Witch and Pagan since 1970
I came for Kate, I stayed for Bette Love Fantastic Four, Namor, Batwoman, Dr.Strange.... i love them all
I think Emma is a perfect fit for the Illuminati. She was a previous member of Norman Osborn's Cabal during Dark Reign. She's wealthy, powerful and has been a key player in Krakoan politics. She's not afraid to get her hands dirty for "the greater good."
"The White Queen welcomes you, TO DIE!"
I think I like Blue Marvel as an Illuminati. Of any of them how much do we know about what he has been doing from his origin to the turn of the century? It wouldn’t surprise me to know he’s been busy since he was discarded as a black man superhero and was doing things in the background much like the Black Panther. I wouldn’t be surprised if T’Challa and Blue Marvel had been secretly cooperating all this time. After all, how surprised were we to find out Nick Fury was the man on the wall?
I would be interested to find out Blue Marvel had some secrets on a level like Nick Fury. How would you feel if the country you live in rejected you on the basis of your colour? I’d certainly try to effect society in some way secretly. I would have a few hangups due to that situation.
Ever since I learnt of Blue Marvels situation I had thought “What does a guy feel in that situation?” My feeling was I’d be extremely pissed to be treated like that.
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"We live in a world of cowards. We live in a world full of small minds who are afraid. We are ruled by those who refuse to risk anything of their own. Who guard their over bloated paucities of power with money. With false reasoning. With measured hesitance. With prideful, recalcitrant inaction. With hateful invective. With weapons. F@#K these selfish fools and their prevailing world order." Tony Stark