Black Widows vs Dora Milajes

[Masonicon]

MCU versions of both Warriors(they didn't just come with Natasha Romanoff and Okoye) and they can include anonymous ones, and here's the scenarios:

1. h2h only fights
2. both fighters got their standard equipment

[big_adventure]

HtH fight is pretty much 50/50.

With gear, well, what's standard? Widows use guns (including automatic weapons), bombs, mini-AoE stunny things, etc. DM's use magic sticks, mostly, but also magic indestructible hover flying ships.

If it's automatic weapons versus sticks at 100 feet, Widows all day. If it's magic indestructible hover flying ships? Yeah, DMs will crush.

[Oswin]

Aren't those magic sticks the same ones that shoot projectiles that blow up tanks though?

[Marvel-Studios Rep]

H2H only known of the Dora have enough feats on their own to beat Widow. The ones from Falcon and the Winter Soldier can made trade blows with her fairly well, but that’s about it feat wise.

With gear Natasha just shots them between the eyes…

[big_adventure]

Aren't those magic sticks the same ones that shoot projectiles that blow up tanks though?

I don't think that the Doras are shown doing that, are they? The regular Wakanda soldiers use pew-pew sticks, but the Doras generally just seem to carry Vibranium spears that grow and shrink.

If the Doras used better kit for war, kit that is, FWIW, easily available in their country, sure. But they don't seem to do that IIRC, so it's not really standard.

AR-15s are easily available in the US, and I have an American passport, but they sure as heck aren't in my standard load out.

[Oswin]

I don't think that the Doras are shown doing that, are they? The regular Wakanda soldiers use pew-pew sticks, but the Doras generally just seem to carry Vibranium spears that grow and shrink.

If the Doras used better kit for war, kit that is, FWIW, easily available in their country, sure. But they don't seem to do that IIRC, so it's not really standard.

AR-15s are easily available in the US, and I have an American passport, but they sure as heck aren't in my standard load out.

I was just speaking of the cuff hehe, all i remember was killmonger once saying that a single vibranium spear can oneshot a tank, not sure if the dora milaje have a different one, but it would seem odd that the wakandan version of the navy seals have weaker gear then a run of the mill wakandan grunt.

Also remember 3 dora's able to nearly beat a black panther, if it was'nt for the new BP suit. then again, 1 black widow also staggered a black panther with one of those electrical thingies. meh whatever happens i think it would be a great fight.

[Jcogginsa]

A group of Dora Milaje were able to take out armed soldiers in Wakanda Forever, including what I'm fairly sure is a case of bullet timing

[Sharpandpointies]

I see multiple bullet deflections in that clip.

Nothing like film-makers having no real grasp on speed, etc. *sigh*. So we have one instance of bullet-timing that’s contradicted by pretty much everything else in the MCU so far…how do their other feats and Panther’s stack up in this movie?

[Jcogginsa]

I see multiple bullet deflections in that clip.

Nothing like film-makers having no real grasp on speed, etc. *sigh*. So we have one instance of bullet-timing that’s contradicted by pretty much everything else in the MCU so far…how do their other feats and Panther’s stack up in this movie?

I wouldn't say contradicted so much as unsupported. Most MCU speedfeats involve energy blasts rather thany anything whose speed we can actually measure.

Now as for other feats, in the movie both Namor and Shuri have feats of reacting to aircraft in flight. Scaling them to Namor would be a stretch but you might be able to argue for Shuri.

Looking at The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, The Dora Milaju there are able to keep up in a fight against Bucky. In Civll War, Bucky in murder mode fought evenly with T'Challa.

(Bucky also fights Black Widow in Civil War, and beats her, but that was a Bucky who is trying significantly harder than when he was fighting the Dora Milaje)

Now, much has been said about how little since it makes for Cap and Bucky to be able to hurt Iron Man in Civil War, but in that fight Bucky and Cap were able to keep up with Iron Man, and way back in the first Iron Man movie, Iron Man was able to dodge a shot from a tank.

[Sharpandpointies]

There are a whole lot of ‘keeps up with’ in there. I get what you’re saying, but scaling isn’t a big thing hereabouts versus actual feats that are consistent with the character.

That said there are some hidden speed feats and such through the MCU. They’re just not often explicit. And contradicted by other things, which is a problem.

As for reacting to aircraft in flight, the worth of that is rather dependant on the scene and the feat. . Happen to have a clip?

[Jcogginsa]

There are a whole lot of ‘keeps up with’ in there. I get what you’re saying, but scaling isn’t a big thing hereabouts versus actual feats that are consistent with the character.

That said there are some hidden speed feats and such through the MCU. They’re just not often explicit. And contradicted by other things, which is a problem.

As for reacting to aircraft in flight, the worth of that is rather dependant on the scene and the feat. . Happen to have a clip?

It's spread across a couple scenes.

Here's Shuri's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBIRtaGZ1Jk

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