Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 16 to 20 of 20
  1. #16
    Extraordinary Member Restingvoice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Posts
    9,574

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Crisis View Post
    At first it seemed that the Infinite Multiverse was restored with Convergence because they negated the first Crisis...and within that context of negating it...we just shifted out view from Earth-1 Mostly to The then Main Universe.

    Then it seemed like we got confirmation of this in Doomsday Clock but the original Earth-1 is renamed Earth-1985.

    Then we got Death Metal....which seems like we yeah this is the real restoration of the Pre-Crisis multiverse plus more....(not sure what the more is).

    now with Dark Crisis....it's once again restored...

    Can someone explain?
    At the end of Convergence some heroes went back in time to prevent Crisis on Infinite Earths and all the Earths have a new story as their ending. Pre Crisis Starfire married Nightwing, Post Crisis Nightwing married Oracle, and so on. Those are the final story for those old Earths. After that they evolve into the New 52 Multiverse.

    Basically they're creating a new, different ending, instead of abruptly getting destroyed or transformed into New 52, but after that, the New 52 Multiverse is still the only Multiverse and the New 52 story is the then current story.

    Doomsday Clock restored The Kents, the Legion and New Earth JLA, then add a new thing: The Metaverse, a concept where the universe adjust itself around Superman, and every time the universe changed, it creates a sort of archive to preserve old stories and old Earths.

    Since the history of the main Earth now has the Kents, JLA and Legion restored, the New 52 as it was became an old, archived Earth in the Metaverse. Some stories of New 52 are still canon in this new history, and The 52 Earths are still the only Multiverse

    Oh yeah, because of the way the Metaverse concept work of preserving history, it also restores Crisis on Infinite Earths in the history of the Earths where it happened (New Earth history, Rebirth history...)

    Multiversity is based on New 52 Multiverse, but as mentioned earlier, also revealed that the old Pre-Crisis Multiverse, has debris and remnants that the Empty Hand's minions feed on, the Multiverse-2.

    Death Metal destroyed The Source Wall surrounding the 52 Earths, opening up the Multiverse to the Omniverse, who knows how many and what kind of Earths are out there, but eventually, Barry found Multiverse-2 debris.

    Finally, during Dark Crisis, Pariah brought back the Pre-Crisis Multiverse, and after the end, they stop limiting the main Multiverse to just 52 Earths and began adding more, some old, some new Earths, with some new numbering, as the new, infinite Multiverse

    It's not the same as the original Infinite Earths because of the new naming system, and the main Earth is still the current one, not Pre-Crisis Earth-1 or 2 or New Earth or New 52 Prime Earth
    Last edited by Restingvoice; 11-17-2023 at 10:39 AM.

  2. #17
    insulin4all CaptCleghorn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    10,945

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    At the end of Convergence some heroes went back in time to prevent Crisis on Infinite Earths and all the Earths have a new story as their ending. Pre Crisis Starfire married Nightwing, Post Crisis Nightwing married Oracle, and so on. Those are the final story for those old Earths. After that they evolve into the New 52 Multiverse.

    Basically they're creating a new, different ending, instead of abruptly getting destroyed or transformed into New 52, but after that, the New 52 Multiverse is still the only Multiverse and the New 52 story is the then current story.

    Doomsday Clock restored The Kents, the Legion and New Earth JLA, then add a new thing: The Metaverse, a concept where the universe adjust itself around Superman, and every time the universe changed, it creates a sort of archive to preserve old stories and old Earths.

    Since the history of the main Earth now has the Kents, JLA and Legion restored, the New 52 as it was became an old, archived Earth in the Metaverse. Some stories of New 52 are still canon in this new history, and The 52 Earths are still the only Multiverse

    Oh yeah, because of the way the Metaverse concept work of preserving history, it also restores Crisis on Infinite Earths in the history of the Earths where it happened (New Earth history, Rebirth history...)

    Multiversity is based on New 52 Multiverse, but as mentioned earlier, also revealed that the old Pre-Crisis Multiverse, has debris and remnants that the Empty Hand's minions feed on, the Multiverse-2.

    Death Metal destroyed The Source Wall surrounding the 52 Earths, opening up the Multiverse to the Omniverse, who knows how many and what kind of Earths are out there, but eventually, Barry found Multiverse-2

    Finally, during Dark Crisis, Pariah brought back the Pre-Crisis Multiverse, and after the end, they stop limiting the main Multiverse to just 52 Earths and began adding more, some old, some new Earths, with some new numbering, as the new, infinite Multiverse

    It's not the same as the original Infinite Earths because of the new naming system, and the main Earth is still the current one, not Pre-Crisis Earth-1 or 2 or New Earth or New 52 Prime Earth
    DC has been pretty much all sausage making that no one wants to see and never getting around to enjoying the sausage supposedly being made.
    I’ll don the mask and wear the cape
    If I am super, how can I wait?

  3. #18
    Astonishing Member
    Join Date
    May 2021
    Posts
    2,181

    Default

    The Pre Crisis and 52 multiverse are one and the same now. So it's the old yet new and different Multiverse.

  4. #19
    Astonishing Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,418

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wonder39 View Post
    DDC made the most sense... New Earths created to house previous continuities when a reality shattering event creates a new continuity.... ( Though to me, it makes sense for new Earths to be created to house the new continuity, leaving the previous intact... But potayto potahto...lol)

    It's easy to explain. It makes sense. It preserves the previous and lets the new be created.

    All this meta Omni multi hyper dark -a -verse stuff is just verbal mast***"***n.

    DC needs to just move on from destroying the multiverse and focus on now.
    Yeah, the Metaverse explanation is the best reflection of what really happened and how DC has actually handled continuity changes.

    The Golden Age gradually soft-rebooted into the Silver Age (1956 and Barry becoming the Flash is picked as the cut-off point in DDC). Some time later, the Silver Age heroes (who represented the 'main' DCU i.e. Earth 1) discovered a parallel earth, Earth 2, which 'preserved' the Golden Age heroes and continuity.

    This explanation allows for the Silver Age/Bronze Age Superman (and all subsequent iterations of the 'mainstream' Superman) to, in a sense, still be the same guy from 1938, while also preserving a close enough copy of the Golden Age Superman on Earth 2 i.e. Kal-L.

    It also tallies well with Convergence and the idea of deleted and destroyed timelines/realities being preserved as parallel earths. It explains the whole situation with Pre-Flashpoint Superman and Lois (and Jon) - how they came from a parallel earth to the 'main' (New 52) DCU, but how they could also be revealed to be from the 'main' DCU and reintegrated into it. They were from an earth which was a 'backup' of the Pre-Flashpoint DCU, and when they returned to the main DCU, the changes to the Metaverse were reversed to some extent, and they were able to restore quiet a bit of the Pre-Flashpoint DCU around them.

  5. #20
    Astonishing Member Stanlos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    4,222

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by D.Z View Post
    The Pre Crisis and 52 multiverse are one and the same now. So it's the old yet new and different Multiverse.
    But.... one has 52 worlds while the other had an infinite number of worlds originally

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •