Marvel should get the rights to Supreme & Youngblood

[Uncanny X-Man]

There was a younglood cartoon pilot for fox kids made but never picked up also.



There have been a few troublemakers but marvel stills uses the heroes they made. Multiple former ultraverse creators has said marvel has 100% ownership of them and just does not give a crap to use them like the other comic company they sat on for decades before putting trades out to keep copywrites.

Less trouble and more that they just don't care.

The one big snag was nightman with his rights in red tape from the tv show but that was decades ago.

No that's not the case, here's what then-EIC Joe Quesada had to say on the topic way back when:

NEWSARAMA: Marvel still has the Malibu/Ultraverse characters – is there any interest in reviving this universe of characters? Or likewise, do you still receive pitches from creators looking to bring back some of the characters?

JQ: Let’s just say that I wanted to bring these characters back in a very big way, but the way that the deal was initially structured, it’s next to impossible to go back and publish these books.
There are rumors out there that it has to do with a certain percentage of sales that has to be doled out to the creative teams. While this is a logistical nightmare because of the way the initial deal was structured, it’s not the reason why we have chosen not to go near these characters, there is a bigger one, but I really don’t feel like it’s my place to make that dirty laundry public.

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20051025...eFridays9.html

[shooshoomanjoe]

As a fan of Young Avengers, Young Justice, and teenage/young superhero teams in general that "Youngblood" sounds interesting. What's it about and who are the members?

They aren't a teen/young super hero group. IIRC, they ended up just being a government super hero name but they were introduced as a government sponsored super hero group that were celebrities.

[Thor-Ul]

Marvel doesn't even do anything with ultraverse or men in black. Why would you want them to buy another hero to never use.

And don't forget the Crossgen titles. Seems like Marvel when buys another propierty is more like to buried it.

Anyway, these days they seems more focused in developt propierties to adapt to other media. And that requieres work. A lot of work. It is easy when you have already half the work done with their own characters.

[Adset]

Given Rob's utterly lack of creativity, doesn't Marvel functionally own half of them anyways?

I believe this is the correct answer.

[Thor-Ul]

But then they would belong to DC then, not Marvel. Liefeld always has been pretty honest about from where it came the idea for Youngblood. And Supreme... Marvel has already like 14 variants of Superman... well maybe nobody will be confused with another one.

Anyway, Marvel these days is more interested in doing variants of their own characters instead trying new ideas. (Defining ideas in an ample sense of the concept).

[Zero Hunter]

As a fan of Young Avengers, Young Justice, and teenage/young superhero teams in general that "Youngblood" sounds interesting. What's it about and who are the members?

The Youngblood team were all adult govt agents in this line of comics by Image back in the 90's. There was a teen team called the New Men in that same universe though. This was sort of Liefeld's take on the X-Men. It starred Reign, Kodiak, Dash, Byrd, and Exit as the original team.

[JudicatorPrime]

Given Rob's utterly lack of creativity, doesn't Marvel functionally own half of them anyways?

I am old enough to remember when many in the industry were saying that Rob's creations were blatant knock-offs of one of the two major comics houses. Not sure why Marvel would want to reward Liefeld by purchasing his homages when they either have the original characters already or equally popular homages of their own.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I am old enough to remember when many in the industry were saying that Rob's creations were blatant knock-offs of one of the two major comics houses. Not sure why Marvel would want to reward Liefeld by purchasing his homages when they either have the original characters already or equally popular homages of their own.

Hell, you don't even have to be that old to know Rob's lack of creativity.

If it weren't for Deadpool and Cable, would he even be relevant?

[Sutekh]

The fact that other writers have made interesting stories about Deadpool, Cable and Supreme suggests to me that there *might* be some interesting story potential in at least some of Youngblood, although I'll admit I'm hard-pressed to think of who...

Shaft, meh, Hawkeye with a tenth the personality. Vogue, just terrible, like Black Widow and Madonna had a baby and immediately disowned it over the shame. Badrock, the worst. (Yaba-dabba-doom! Oy.) Knightsabre, please stop, how can you make Gambit even more '90s? Photon, Cougar, Combat, Brahma, Chapel, boring flying zapper, boring claw-scrapper, boring not-Klingon, boring bloated meat-muffin, badass with guns #7361. So. Deadly. Boring!

Riptide (not a lot of 'waterbenders' out there), Diehard (always a sucker for a good android hero), Masada (growth and strength with a mystical source) and Psi-Fire (an amoral telepath / telekinetic before Quentin Quire ruined it for everyone) seem like the most interesting options, to me.

As always, add 'IMO' to the end of any sentence that starts with a capital letter. I'm sure Badrock is someone's favorite. Which is a choice.

[Alan2099]

I am old enough to remember when many in the industry were saying that Rob's creations were blatant knock-offs of one of the two major comics houses. Not sure why Marvel would want to reward Liefeld by purchasing his homages when they either have the original characters already or equally popular homages of their own.

Hell, you don't even have to be that old to know Rob's lack of creativity.

If it weren't for Deadpool and Cable, would he even be relevant?

Liefeld was popular for his art, not his writing.

As for lack of creativity, that was just 90s Image in general. 90s percent of their characters were variations of popular 90s Marvel characters. They had something like 12 versions of Cable running around alone.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Liefeld was popular for his art, not his writing.

As for lack of creativity, that was just 90s Image in general. 90s percent of their characters were variations of popular 90s Marvel characters. They had something like 12 versions of Cable running around alone.

After 80 decades of comics, how many original ideas can there be?

[The Cool Thatguy]

After 80 decades of comics, how many original ideas can there be?

With effort and good execution, plenty.

Image rarely made the effort. The well remembered stuff is like 90 percent Alan Moore

[shooshoomanjoe]

With effort and good execution, plenty.

Image rarely made the effort. The well remembered stuff is like 90 percent Alan Moore

But most, if not all, of Moore's Image stuff weren't original.

[The Cool Thatguy]

But most, if not all, of Moore's Image stuff weren't original.

Moore is the only one who really put much emphasize on character work.

Image was very much style over substance, and that's true of Rob especially. Hell, his designs aren't even that creative, when he's not ripping off an existing character.

Marvel can't filter it's own hundred plus characters into different mediums, there's no reason why they should bother with crap like Young Blood.

[skyvolt2000]

After 80 decades of comics, how many original ideas can there be?

All it takes is an effort.

90s Image got away with plenty of ripoffs because of the artists. There is a reason Spawn and Savage Dragon are still around and while the rest are not or owned by DC.

If you had to compare Milestone, Valiant and 90s Image-the first two blew away Image.

At least Milestone had books come out on time. How many Image titles didn't make it past issue 3?

But most, if not all, of Moore's Image stuff weren't original.

Moore put up an effort as did Ellis.

If Wildstorm were ripoffs-they sure did not end up like that when it was all said and done.