Do you think Disney needs to make change after so many flops?

[inisideguy]

They said disney can have 3 more years with the same box office and still be fine. They did just go through a few years of a dozen billion films including two years ago.

The real studio in danger is paramount. At risk of getting bought battle for ceo behind the scenes and nasty in fighting right now. Streaming app not doing so well and movies mixed with some ok and others bombing.

Paramount wishes it was in disneys shape right now.


https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/c...control_of_it/

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/c..._as_paramount/

I have been trying to tell people this isnt just a Disney issue. But everyone is so focused on Disney they aint watching these other studios.

[Slowpokeking]

NOR do you....

Generally most black lead films and some with a black lead do not get shown in China or get posters changed.

The Rock generally has his movies shown in China with the EXCEPTION of one- Central Intelligence the one he did with Kevin Hart.

Tyler Perry movies do not get shown in China.
Wakanda Forever did not show in China.
Strange World did not show in China.
Faizon Love was edited out of the movie poster for Couple Retreat outside the USA and didn't show in China. He sued Universal over that.
The Equalizer series with Denzel did not show in China.
Ride Along series with Kevin Hart did not show in China.
Bad Boys not shown in China.
How many Will Smith movies have made it to China? Not even ID4.


Spiderverse nor Black Panther showing there doesn't excuse that many black lead films NOT showing there. Yet they all showed in some other part of Asia.

This is part of the reason Ike didn't want Black Panther made and it's been USED as a weapon by other studios when it comes to greenlighting movies.

The market in China. DESPITE the fact a lot of those black movies made profits or broke even without sniff overseas. Kevin Hart lead movies tend to NOT flop and don't need overseas to make money unlike a lot of others like Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller.

How did you get that much wrong? The Rock is black himself.

A lot of black actors got their movies shown in China, and a lot of white movies don't, what point are you trying to make?

Wakanda Forever was shown in China. Why are you making things up?

Bad Boys 3 was shown in China, the first two was too early, China's movie market hasn't really opened yet. Same with ID4, but ID4's video was very popular in China.

Other than old ones, Will Smith got a lot of his movies released in China, like Man in Black3 and Hancock. I am legend was not there due to China banned all American movies in late 2007. Overall he was well received in China.

How can you accuse ppl for racism when you couldn't even the facts clear?

[Slowpokeking]

I don't know what you think you said, but you can trace the steps on this conversation to find out what you actually said.

PS. you didn't outright say racebending the character was bad.

I think Scarlet Jo wasn't the right choice, I didn't go see it.

At least she's pretty enough and much more famous to attract some fans, but still not enough to make the box office success.

Here here here.

[Slowpokeking]

The source material that these people are holding as so sacrosanct is itself a reinterpretation of a 187-year-old story that was adapted in film at least six times before the Disney version.

Nobody cared about this story's Danish roots when Disney gave the titular mermaid a name of Hebrew origin and named her father after a Greek deity. It's like when Ninja Turtles fans complain when April isn't a hot redheaded journalist in a yellow jumpsuit even though that wasn't how she was originally portrayed.

Who gave you that guts to say "nobody"?

[Slowpokeking]

A reminder on what happen here.

China ends de facto ban on Marvel films after more than three years
Latest Black Panther and Ant-Man superhero flicks get February release in country famously controlling over Hollywood movies
https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...an-three-years

‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Makes Third Place Start in China Cinemas
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/b...na-1235515335/

Yeah, I don't know why did that guy accuse a whole nation for racism when he couldn't even get the facts right.

[Godzilla2099]

Disney is already trying to do damage control for Snow White. This project is also getting delayed and the Variety Interview with Bailey and Zegler was laughable.

Halle was professional and classy but the other one? A scripted attempt of trying to replicate Halle's Demeanor

[numberthirty]

How did you get that much wrong? The Rock is black himself.

A lot of black actors got their movies shown in China, and a lot of white movies don't, what point are you trying to make?

Wakanda Forever was shown in China. Why are you making things up?

Bad Boys 3 was shown in China, the first two was too early, China's movie market hasn't really opened yet. Same with ID4, but ID4's video was very popular in China.

Other than old ones, Will Smith got a lot of his movies released in China, like Man in Black3 and Hancock. I am legend was not there due to China banned all American movies in late 2007. Overall he was well received in China.

How can you accuse ppl for racism when you couldn't even the facts clear?

Someone better let Mataniufeagaimaleata Fitisemanu know about this ASAP.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

Here here here.

That does not say what you think it does.

Your message is not clear.

[Celgress]

OP Question - Yes I think they do. They need to slow down production; quality over quantity. Give more new ideas a chance rather than live-action remakes of existing animated properties. Also, strict NDAs (for lack of a better term) for their major stars/major writers so those stars/writers keep their mouths shut and stay on script while promoting a film or series rather than get embroiled in meaningless public fights with "fans" and "critics".

[kingaliencracker]

I have been trying to tell people this isnt just a Disney issue. But everyone is so focused on Disney they aint watching these other studios.

The reason why the focus is on Disney is because while other studios are certainly dealing with their issues (WB and Paramount being prime examples, although the former definitely scored a hit with Barbie), Disney is top-dog in the market AND they're investing substantially more money into their films and series than any other studio. So, when they fail, they fail BIG. When you have two, $300+ million movies fail in one year in Indiana Jones 5 and the Marvels, that's going to get all the focus.

As I said before, you have to get the budgets under control. That's true for all the studios.

[inisideguy]

The reason why the focus is on Disney is because while other studios are certainly dealing with their issues (WB and Paramount being prime examples, although the former definitely scored a hit with Barbie), Disney is top-dog in the market AND they're investing substantially more money into their films and series than any other studio. So, when they fail, they fail BIG. When you have two, $300+ million movies fail in one year in Indiana Jones 5 and the Marvels, that's going to get all the focus.

As I said before, you have to get the budgets under control. That's true for all the studios.

The thing is Disney has other forms of revenue other than movies. WB and Paramount generally dont. Disney makes more off of ESPN than most of these companies make. Warner brothers stock is almost worthless. Its at 9 dollars a share. Thats down from 25 dollars a share just last year. Thats an over 50 percent drop in value despite Barbie. And the other poster has already articulated Paramounts issues. The issues with these movie companies go much deeper than Disney.

[kingaliencracker]

The thing is Disney has other forms of revenue other than movies. WB and Paramount generally dont. Disney makes more off of ESPN than most of these companies make. Warner brothers stock is almost worthless. Its at 9 dollars a share. Thats down from 25 dollars a share just last year. Thats an over 50 percent drop in value despite Barbie. And the other poster has already articulated Paramounts issues. The issues with these movie companies go much deeper than Disney.

I don't think anyone is saying that Disney is in trouble. But they've gone through cycles like this with their movies before and have adjusted accordingly.

[ChrisIII]

Yeah-the 70s and 80s in particular are considered sort of the dark age of Disney, when a lot of their films didn't quite meet the heights of the time Walt was alive, or were box office flops, or at least disappointments. Some of it came from competition from Don Bluth, with American Tail and Land Before Time being pretty big challengers.

Not that they were really *bad* at all-a lot of them are fondly remembered cult classics-Tron, Fox and the Hound, Pete's Dragon, Flight of the Navigator, Something Wicked this way comes....a lot of them were Disney also trying new things before kind of going back to the adapted fairy tale formula.

[mace11]

Plus there is this.

How Disney Makes Money

Disney’s Parks, Experiences and Products business generates most of its profits
The Walt Disney Co. (DIS) is a diversified global entertainment company that operates theme parks, resorts, a cruise line, broadcast television networks, and related products. The company also produces live entertainment events, and produces and streams a broad array of film and TV entertainment content through its new digital content streaming services.

https://www.investopedia.com/how-dis...-money-4799164
Revenue of the Walt Disney Company in the fiscal year 2022, by operating segment

Revenue of the Walt Disney Company in 2022, by operating segment
In 2022, the Walt Disney Company generated a total revenue of nearly 29 billion U.S. dollars with its parks, experiences, and products segment, an increase of around 12 billion from the year before. The company's biggest segment was its media and entertainment segment, which generated revenues of 55 billion U.S. dollars in 2022. This marks a growth from the 50.9 billion U.S. dollars of revenue generated in this segment in 2021. The total assets of the Walt Disney Company amounted to 203.6 billion U.S. dollars in 2022.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ating-segment/

and

How Does Warner Bros Make Money?

Within this business, the company generates revenue mainly from advertising income and content distribution. The studio segment is the next biggest revenue source. It includes popular franchises like Friends, The Big Bang Theory, Batman, Superman, and Harry Porter

https://osgamers.com/frequently-aske...ros-make-money

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[Gaastra]

70s and 80s till 1987 was disneys worst time. Today is paradise for disney over then.