Original X-Men #1 - Preview

[Celestialbodies]

So unnecessarily convoluted, in a handful of panels we have at least 4 separate Jean's, 3 separate Phoenixes and it all just sounds forced! Jean as the Phoenix can't stop Jean as the Phoenix, but the much younger 05 can, sure!

[Frontier]

"Excuse me? She's ancient!" - Typical teenage response to an adult version of themselves.

I get the sense sometimes that Jean really doesn't like herself the way her teen and adult selves conflict so much.

[JamJams]

I can only assume the part with that alt-Phoenix gobbling up other Phoenixes is the part that will end up playing out in the main universe.

[PhoenixStudies]

So unnecessarily convoluted, in a handful of panels we have at least 4 separate Jean's, 3 separate Phoenixes and it all just sounds forced! Jean as the Phoenix can't stop Jean as the Phoenix, but the much younger 05 can, sure!

Agreed!

And to throw in the retcon explanation too. What was the point of having Teen Jean take responsibility for Dark Phoenix in Trial of Jean Grey and Jean taking responsibility for Dark Phoenix in Judgement Day, if they are going to go back to the replacement idea? Nevermind Jean acknowledging that she summoned the Phoenix and allowed their souls to merge in Uncanny 387 and Jean stating she was a part of Dark Phoenix in X-Men Red 1. Or Jean accepting the part of her which had bonded with the Phoenix in Inferno.

Anyways, in 616 the Phoenix actually did ask to bond with Jean and Jean consented.

[PhoenixStudies]

Continued







And this issue was quoted in Immortal X-Men #17 so you would think it would be back as the dominant explanation.

[Mercury]

So unnecessarily convoluted, in a handful of panels we have at least 4 separate Jean's, 3 separate Phoenixes and it all just sounds forced! Jean as the Phoenix can't stop Jean as the Phoenix, but the much younger 05 can, sure!

I try not to reject the premise of any story just because it convolutes or contradicts what has already been established about characters. Human beings are typically convoluted and contradictory. We are complex creatures, after all. The same applies twofold to a being—Jean/Phoenix—who is perpetually and concurrently contracting and expanding, encompassing all creation while also acting as a mere aspect of and participant in creation. These convolutions and contradictions are what make Jean, in particular, a fascinating and mysterious character. They also represent her entelechy and overall journey toward apotheosis. We rarely see Jean at the apex of her true identity and abilities. Instead, we often witness her consciously and unconsciously striving to attain or, out of fear, struggling not to reach her apex. The striving toward and struggling to stave off reaching her fullest potential makes her both thrilling and relatable. She is at once transcendent and ordinary.

And yet, we have witnessed fleeting moments of Jean at or rather near her apex. She has controlled time, space, and matter—all reality, really—with the effort it takes to wipe away a tear. She has bestowed upon and snatched away from others, both consciously and unconsciously, aspects and fragments of her unparalleled abilities in service of purposes known only to her and the One above her. With total abandon, she has wholly embraced and, with complete contempt, utterly rejected her birthright and the core of her very being. She has given life and consumed it. She has been reborn only to die and be reborn again and again. Those are the notes and chords of her song, the rhythm and movements of her dance. She is not designed for stalemates or stagnation. She is meant to thrive in and alternate between expanding and contracting, transcending and descending...again and again. That is the way of Jean; that is the way of Phoenix; that is the way of pure, unadulterated life. To wish that she reach and maintain a particular status quo is certainly to wish her true death.

[useridgoeshere]

Is Plant Man unselling Genesis’ whole plant in your body thing?

[The Cool Thatguy]

As society debates the use of AI...

...we still tolerate Greg Land's half assed porn plagiarism, why?

[Subliminally]

As society debates the use of AI...

...we still tolerate Greg Land's half assed porn plagiarism, why?

I'm hollering! But this is factual. I guess it makes people feel better that a real person is doing the copy and pasting though. This deserves better than Land "art" though. The fact that his "old woman Jean" looks like she's in her late 40s is telling, but not unexpected from a guy with a Doctorate in female porn...

[Subliminally]

Can someone with better knowledge of the PF than I explain this?



So the "dark" Phoenix from the other reality is more powerful than the "co-existing" Phoenix? Powerful enough that the peaceful Jean won't even dare to face the "dark" one in combat?

[Til]

I'm going to echo everyone saying that this feels unnecessary. I'm going to read it, because it has Warren and I've always liked Christos Gage, but I can't say I'm enthused about it. My view on the Teen O5 is to just let them be. I'd be much, MUCH more interested in a story about the adult O5 during Fall of X. For that matter, as enormously fanservice-y as it might be, I had kinda hoped we might see a Giant-Size team reunion during Fall of X. Thunderbird is alive again, so IMO it'd be pretty fun to see that team together again all these years later.

[Mercury]

Can someone with better knowledge of the PF than I explain this?



So the "dark" Phoenix from the other reality is more powerful than the "co-existing" Phoenix? Powerful enough that the peaceful Jean won't even dare to face the "dark" one in combat?

A central theme in Jean/Phoenix’s story is fragmentation, which she pointed out in Phoenix Endsong (see the highlighted panel from that story above). Jean’s various Phoenix color schemes—green/gold, red/gold, black/red, pure fiery, and violet/gold—can be interpreted as representing various aspects of her psyche and identity as Phoenix, with White Phoenix—still her most powerful and transcendent manifestation—not only being, as Marvel recently noted, “a pure and powerful form representing the perfect synthesis between the Phoenix Force and Jean” but also encompassing all other color schemes, i.e., all of her other facets and fragments.

That said, I interpret this scene comprising Jean in another life, at a particular point in her journey toward apotheosis, relaying how she perceives her relationship with Phoenix to what she considers another version of herself. She did this in Simonson’s miniseries, too. Ultimately, while she is a multiversal/omniversal constant, she is still fragmented, and her perception is limited by this, causing her to believe there are infinite versions of herself separate and apart from herself. There aren't. She is, at once, concurrently embracing and denying aspects of herself at speeds and levels we can hardly comprehend. I know, it's a hell of a mind trip—heady to me, to be honest—but that's just one of the reasons she's my favorite character.

METAPHYSICALLY COMPLEX ICON. 🤌🏻

[ExodusCloak]

I'm laughing at how many recycled images there are all on that same page. Also the gimp masks...

[Keno]

Same head pieces. Same **** by Greg. Things will never for him. Pretty sure Brevort will sneak him back to the main books.

[Icefanatic]

Not really thrilled with Land on art but it looks okay(if I don't focus on it too hard). Loved the original 05 but have come to mostly loath the 'time-displaced 05'. Since one of them 'will remain, trapped in the world as we know it'... My money is on the young version of Iceman, but it makes one wonder what happens to the other four. I expect they will all die. Impact will be huge. Can't wait for this.

It is an absolutely wild choice to put Greg Land on a book where the main characters are supposed to be teenagers.

And surprisingly he's not doing a terrible job. They look as much like teenagers as the 05 originally did back in the day. Note how he even de-empahizes teen Jean's breasts compared to his depiction of the adult Phoenix. The sad thing is he can actually draw quite well, why he relies so heavily on tracing I don't know.

"Excuse me? She's ancient!" - Typical teenage response to an adult version of themselves.

Truth.

Is Plant Man unselling Genesis’ whole plant in your body thing?

Throwing shade with science.