All purpose news and politics thread part VII: News & Politics Total Landscaping

[CaptainEurope]

That someone who says they are against Trump to actually stick up for it while they are in office is novel. I wish GoP voters were more like that.



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It's still half-hearted,as she made clear she would not vote for Biden, either.

[Dalak]

It's still half-hearted,as she made clear she would not vote for Biden, either.

That's why I used Novel instead of Respectable

[JackDaw]

Considering that the punishment in this case was forfeiture of assets to pay a monetary fine instead of jail-time, Trump being a flight risk or not shouldn't have anything to do with the decision at all. He would have been stripped of Trump Tower and/or something else, and still wouldn't have seen the inside of a jail cell. As I would want him to live a long and poor life in one, that's something I've been paying attention to.

I don't understand what's reasonable about this decision, but if you'd like to continue discussing it with me I'd be pleasantly surprised.

I would reply to more of your posts if you did not habitually make them multi-long epics that reference and reply to many posters comments in one portmanteau posting. It makes it harder to spot that you have posed a question to me, as it is often lost in a ton of other stuff. And also it makes it harder for me to edit your post (to remove extraneous stuff), especially as I often read this site on a phone.

I think it is a reasonable decision because the courts have decided that there are grounds for an appeal, and once that decision has been made it’s appropriate to set the amount at a level that minimises any chance of Trump fleeing the courts jurisdiction. I do not think it’s sensible to make reasonable appeals impossible. That would be a poor legal setup I think.

( Although it is fair comment that court expenses do make justice impossible for a large number of people. And I certainly wouldn’t have lost sleep if Trump had been forced to post the higher amount)

[Dalak]

I would reply to more of your posts if you did not habitually make them multi-long epics that reference and reply to many posters comments in one portmanteau posting. It makes it harder to spot that you have posed a question to me, as it is often lost in a ton of other stuff. And also it makes it harder for me to edit your post (to remove extraneous stuff), especially as I often read this site on a phone.

I think it is a reasonable decision because the courts have decided that there are grounds for an appeal, and once that decision has been made it’s appropriate to set the amount at a level that minimises any chance of Trump fleeing the courts jurisdiction. I do not think it’s sensible to make reasonable appeals impossible. That would be a poor legal setup I think.

( Although it is fair comment that court expenses do make justice impossible for a large number of people. And I certainly wouldn’t have lost sleep if Trump had been forced to post the higher amount)

Considering you never replied here, I thought the reason was worse. The reply here wasn't one of the multi-quotes.

Oh, the usual gubbins. Tami and I posted that we thought you habitually post stuff that you honestly believe, but I added you sometimes used rhetorical tricks (something I think we all do from time to time.)

This led to Dalak asking if lying, etc is a “rhetorical trick”.

Like a pillock I replied. I should know better. Apologies if anyone irritated.

I'm surprised replying to me is the act of a pillock in your opinion. Not offended, but slightly hurt.

Multiquotes are mainly because I don't like seeing a page of posts from one poster that easily could have been combined into one, so I may overcorrect.

In regards to this, Courts do not weigh in on the validity of an appeal at this stage, "While the court, the Appellate Division in Manhattan, did not rule directly on the merits of Mr. Trump’s appeal, its ruling suggests that some of the judges could be sympathetic to Mr. Trump’s case, legal experts said. The $175 million bond is roughly the amount that Mr. Trump’s lawyers had argued was the maximum penalty he could have possibly owed, a potential sign that the court believes the $454 million judgment was too steep." Personally I've long held the opinion that the penalty for the crime should approach the level of the money that you illegally gained through your crime. At this point fines are considered more a cost of doing business when it comes to larger companies rather than an impediment to business or some sort of rein on their behavior. Look into the logic behind recalls for Auto Parts/Cars or Pharmaceuticals and lawsuits over them if you'd like more details.

BTW I don't think anyone has suggested that Trump will flee rather than pay the fine to this point, but if you've seen that I'd appreciate seeing the point of view.

[JackDaw]

Considering you never replied here, I thought the reason was worse. The reply here wasn't one of the multi-quotes.




Multiquotes are mainly because I don't like seeing a page of posts from one poster that easily could have been combined into one, so I may overcorrect.

In regards to this, Courts do not weigh in on the validity of an appeal at this stage, "While the court, the Appellate Division in Manhattan, did not rule directly on the merits of Mr. Trump’s appeal, its ruling suggests that some of the judges could be sympathetic to Mr. Trump’s case, legal experts said. The $175 million bond is roughly the amount that Mr. Trump’s lawyers had argued was the maximum penalty he could have possibly owed, a potential sign that the court believes the $454 million judgment was too steep." Personally I've long held the opinion that the penalty for the crime should approach the level of the money that you illegally gained through your crime. At this point fines are considered more a cost of doing business when it comes to larger companies rather than an impediment to business or some sort of rein on their behavior. Look into the logic behind recalls for Auto Parts/Cars or Pharmaceuticals and lawsuits over them if you'd like more details.

BTW I don't think anyone has suggested that Trump will flee rather than pay the fine to this point, but if you've seen that I'd appreciate seeing the point of view.

If there’s no significant danger of him fleeing (and I agree there’s not) AND the court believes he has reasonable grounds for appeal (clearly it does because the appeal has been allowed) then it seems unfair to make the appeal impossible.

If it was anybody but Trump involved I think most people would regard requiring the posting of a stupendous amount before hearing a case as poor legal practice.

I apologise about the previous pillock remark. I see now how easy it was to misinterpret it..I meant to poke fun at myself rather than at you. (I was suggesting that I should have known better than to waste time by defending Mets on this site, when everyone’s view on him was set in stone years ago.)

[Dalak]

If there’s no significant danger of him fleeing (and I agree there’s not) AND the court believes he has reasonable grounds for appeal (clearly it does because the appeal has been allowed) then it seems unfair to make the appeal impossible.

If it was anybody but Trump involved I think most people would regard requiring the posting of a stupendous amount before hearing a case as poor legal practice.

I apologise about the previous pillock remark. I see now how easy it was to misinterpret it..I meant to poke fun at myself rather than at you. (I was suggesting that I should have known better than to waste time by defending Mets on this site, when everyone’s view on him was set in stone years ago.)

The entire reason for the bond in this case is that to appeal the case at all you have to put up the bond, and the appeals court specifically wasn't ruling on the merits of his appeal as I've shown. The appeal wasn't impossible for him, as he just had to make a sale or 2 to those foreign investors that he often brags about helping him with business deals instead of letting the DA do it after seizing the assets. Considering the amount of money he saved in taxes over the years of not paying them, even the original bond doesn't match the crime.

I disagree that this decision was reasonable, strongly.

And thanks for the clarification and the apology!

E: Regarding Mets, the opinions on him have been formed due to his own posts and behavior. Those posts and behavior have been on display for years, and when he's confronted with them he refuses to change far more often than he acknowledges a mistake or that he was wrong. It is a fact that multiple posters have shown this on several occasions (Not just me, or 1-2 others), so I want to make it clear that any reputation he has among posters here has been earned rather than any sort of anti-conservative bias.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

After today’s legal ruling, the inevitable question (at least to me) begs to be asked: If we were dealing with Donald Trump, crooked businessman, conman, grifter, thief and reality show carnival barker, and not Donald Trump, former president and de facto ruler of the Republican Party, would he have enjoyed this remarkable level of leniency from the courts? Or is it just another example of rules being bent, if not broken in favor of privileged billionaires?

[lilyrose]

I'm done. I'm not expecting anything to happen to him anymore. The courts go out of their way to give him extra special treatment for no fucking reason. Nothing will ever happen.

[AnakinFlair]

The entire reason for the bond in this case is that to appeal the case at all you have to put up the bond, and the appeals court specifically wasn't ruling on the merits of his appeal as I've shown. The appeal wasn't impossible for him, as he just had to make a sale or 2 to those foreign investors that he often brags about helping him with business deals instead of letting the DA do it after seizing the assets. Considering the amount of money he saved in taxes over the years of not paying them, even the original bond doesn't match the crime.

I disagree that this decision was reasonable, strongly.

And thanks for the clarification and the apology!

Another factor is that there was no reasoning given for cutting down the amount he had to post a bond for, and the amount they gave appears completely arbitrary. If it was anyone else, this wouldn't have happened.

[CaptainEurope]

Over in the UK, Scott Benton, a Tory MP for Blackpool South, who was accused of selling influence for gambling interests, has resigned.
This will trigger the 13th by-election since Sunak became Prime Minister. Of the previous dozen, the Tories lost 11.

Just call a general election and get it over with.

[CaptainEurope]

I'm done. I'm not expecting anything to happen to him anymore. The courts go out of their way to give him extra special treatment for no fucking reason. Nothing will ever happen.

Who appointed the judges who went easy on him today?

[Gray Lensman]

Over in the UK, Scott Benton, a Tory MP for Blackpool South, who was accused of selling influence for gambling interests, has resigned.
This will trigger the 13th by-election since Sunak became Prime Minister. Of the previous dozen, the Tories lost 11.

Just call a general election and get it over with.

They won't because from what I have seen it would be a bloodbath. They aren't going to give up power until the last possible moment. If they call an election now the Tories might become a minor party, rather than just the opposition, and I'm sure they'll do everything they can to avoid that.

[Gray Lensman]

Who appointed the judges who went easy on him today?

New York State voters, I believe.

[Catlady in training]

Over in the UK, Scott Benton, a Tory MP for Blackpool South, who was accused of selling influence for gambling interests, has resigned.
This will trigger the 13th by-election since Sunak became Prime Minister. Of the previous dozen, the Tories lost 11.

Just call a general election and get it over with.

But then they would waste the opportunity to make lives of more trans people, especially children miserable in the meantime and they can't allow that.

[Robotman]

I'm done. I'm not expecting anything to happen to him anymore. The courts go out of their way to give him extra special treatment for no fucking reason. Nothing will ever happen.

Yeah I’m shocked people still celebrate when he gets charged with a crime or still truly believe he will get any prison time. Haven’t we all learned by now that he will never have any comeuppance?