All purpose news and politics thread part VII: News & Politics Total Landscaping

[thwhtGuardian]

If I understand you correctly, "far more people" are getting into the United States by overstaying their Visas than by crossing the border through other means.

Do you have a recent source for this to suggest that the number of people overstaying their Visas is well in excess of the number of migrants crossing through the southern border?

You can google it, it's not some top secret information. Total numbers tracked over time aren't given each year so the last report was 2016 which gave the total as 60% of the illegal population was from visa over stays and since then reporting has indicated it's around a million people every year and studies have shown that once over stayed they don't often return home so it's not likely that 60% has changed.

So again, the clear choice is to tackle visa overstays if you're serious about decreasing the number of illegal immigrants in the country.

[aja_christopher]

So again, the clear choice is to tackle visa overstays if you're serious about decreasing the number of illegal immigrants in the country.

But then Republicans couldn’t rile up their base with fear, hatred and white nationalist rhetoric.

[thwhtGuardian]

But then Republicans couldn’t rile up their base with fear, hatred and white nationalist rhetoric.

That's exactly what I said, between losing the fear rhetoric, having to go against big business and changing demographics in rural areas you're just not going to see Republicans go after visa overstays.

[aja_christopher]

That's exactly what I said, between losing the fear rhetoric, having to go against big business and changing demographics in rural areas you're just not going to see Republicans go after visa overstays.

That discussion has already been had with Mets during the “open borders” debate where he defended the Republican family separation policy under Trump and Jeff Sessions.

The argument was made that this would also address illegal immigration as many businesses hire and pay them under the table and off the books to avoid taxes.

It’s just another deflection from the point of the original post — that Republicans like Abbott don’t respect the law and are vile enough to let children drown unaided.

While conservatives talk around the issue and pretend they see nothing wrong.

[Robotman]

Vaccination rates are hitting extremely dangerous levels. But hey why should antivaxers care about people with autoimmune disorders and other high risk populations?

US verges on vaccination tipping point, faces thousands of needless deaths: FDA

[aja_christopher]

[useridgoeshere]

You can google it, it's not some top secret information. Total numbers tracked over time aren't given each year so the last report was 2016 which gave the total as 60% of the illegal population was from visa over stays and since then reporting has indicated it's around a million people every year and studies have shown that once over stayed they don't often return home so it's not likely that 60% has changed.

So again, the clear choice is to tackle visa overstays if you're serious about decreasing the number of illegal immigrants in the country.

Yes, but the big visa overstay issues are short-term visitor and student visas, not work visas, so it’s not about appeasing corporations at all.

[Username taken]

Vaccination rates are hitting extremely dangerous levels. But hey why should antivaxers care about people with autoimmune disorders and other high risk populations?

US verges on vaccination tipping point, faces thousands of needless deaths: FDA

I'm not surprised.

Lots of young kids are getting sick from stuff I thought had been eliminated in Canada.

If it's that bad in Canada, I can only imagine what's happening in the US.

[Jack Dracula]

Vaccination rates are hitting extremely dangerous levels. But hey why should antivaxers care about people with autoimmune disorders and other high risk populations?

US verges on vaccination tipping point, faces thousands of needless deaths: FDA

Now, if the science antivaxers have used is legitimate we should see a corresponding decrease in new diagnosis of autism.

[kingaliencracker]

Vaccination rates are hitting extremely dangerous levels. But hey why should antivaxers care about people with autoimmune disorders and other high risk populations?

US verges on vaccination tipping point, faces thousands of needless deaths: FDA

I support vaccines, both in people getting them and the science behind them.

But I also believe people have the right NOT to get them.

[Username taken]

I support vaccines, both in people getting them and the science behind them.

But I also believe people have the right NOT to get them.

For adults, folks can do whatever they want. They just have to make sure not to infect anyone else with whatever they come down with (if they fall sick).

If they can't vaccinate their kids, then they should home school or something.

I don't want someone else's paranoia impact my kids.

[Tami]

For adults, folks can do whatever they want. They just have to make sure not to infect anyone else with whatever they come down with (if they fall sick).

If they can't vaccinate their kids, then they should home school or something.

I don't want someone else's paranoia impact my kids.

This is pretty much par for the course with the right.

A. I can do anything I want to and I don't care about how it affects anyone else.

B. I can impose my will on others and I don't care that they might want to control their own lives.

C. If anyone tries to impose their will on.me I will make their lives a living hell.

[Username taken]

This is pretty much par for the course with the right.

A. I can do anything I want to and I don't care about how it affects anyone else.

B. I can impose my will on others and I don't care that they might want to control their own lives.

C. If anyone tries to impose their will on.me I will make their lives a living hell.

Exactly.

Knowing what we know, not vaccinating children can only be considered risky behavior, not just for the unvaccinated kids but for the kids around them.

People forget (or don't know) that some of these vaccinations weren't just made for the children but also for the adults that provide care to them. I got Chicken Pox working with kids in Sunday School many years ago, so I know firsthand the impact that unvaccinated kids can have on adults. I was lucky that it was something like Chicken Pox and not something a lot more deadly (Chicken Pox makes one sick but can be treated with antibiotics, the problem is that it leaves some permanent scarring on the body).

Sure, anyone can engage in risky behavior like driving and drinking but said individuals have to make sure their own decisions don't impact anyone else.

[useridgoeshere]

I was lucky that it was something like Chicken Pox and not something a lot more deadly (Chicken Pox makes one sick but can be treated with antibiotics, the problem is that it leaves some permanent scarring on the body).

Chicken pox is the virus that causes shingles, which is brutally painful at best and has some serious outcomes. Never getting chicken pox is a good thing.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

I support vaccines, both in people getting them and the science behind them.

But I also believe people have the right NOT to get them.

Then they also have the right to be effing stupid and get sick and/or die, just as long as they stay the hell away from me. I got no patience for morons who willingly risk the health of others to justify their nonsensical viewpoints.