All purpose news and politics thread part VII: News & Politics Total Landscaping

[Dalak]

I should mention Trump has stated as part of his Agenda 47 that homeless Amercan citizens will be rounded up and sent to tent camps in the more desolate parts of the country.
Moderate Republicans are fond of slippery slope arguments so how’s this? If a local official pushes a landlord to evict someone who says something “bad” online does that “homeless” person immediately become eligible for a trip to one of these camps?

Take it easy. You’re fond of speculation. I’m just speculating about how what the front-runner of your party has stated as one of his plans may be used to suppress dissent.

Instead of responding about how someone could be evicted due to pressure from politicians, Mets responded about fines and online speech . . .

It's not even subtle anymore.

GOP uses Nazi symbols with open Nazis in attendance, no big deal, coincidence and accident.

Keith Ellison wears a t-shirt about borders, though, and we got a problem!!!

It's amazing that Mets expects anyone to take him seriously.

Considering the above, I tend to agree.

I mean…are we at all surprised? Of COURSE he’ll defend the GOP use of Nazi style propaganda and blatant Nazi symbols and hosting openly white supremacist/neo-Nazi speakers at their convention, but lose his mind over a liberal wearing a t-shirt. Admitting that his party has a Nazi problem that everyone but themselves can see - based on them saying, doing, acting like, hanging out with, playing defense for, empowering, and giving platforms to literal Nazis, neo-Nazis, and people who just are cool with Nazi rhetoric if it gets them power and money - would mean that he’s wasted a decade or more of his life defending a party led, and populated by, people who think Hitler had some good ideas.



I’m sure there’s some people who’ll whine about ‘erasing history’ or ‘leftist censorship’. But call me silly, or touchy, or a ‘leftist extremist’, but those people are idiots, and their opinions don’t matter. If you aided and/or abetted genocide - deliberately, willingly, ‘under orders’ or accidentally, I don’t care what else you do with your life. You deserve to carry the stain of supporting or breaking bread with genocidal madmen on you, wherever you go for the rest of your life, and should not receive ANY sort of honors.

Ever.

And if you whine about someone who aided and abetted a genocide getting their honors stripped from them, posthumously? You need to take a long, hard look at yourself.

Frankly, I like the Inglorious Basterds method of letting Nazis escape Justice: carve a swastika into their foreheads and let EVERYONE know what sort of person they’re dealing with for the rest of their lives.

One of the speakers there this year talked about plans to end democracy. One cannot be against democracy and for America.

But he was JOKING, see, he was just trying to ‘trigger the libruls’.

Because racism, sexism, homophobia, religious extremism, greed, hypocrisy, rape apologetics, and supporting incestuously-inclined pedophiles on their run for president aren’t enough to get people excited about voting Republican.

They have to troll ‘libruls’ too.

Just wait. I’m sure Mets’ll be around to say we’re making a mountain of a molehill, and that ‘both sides do it’. We’ll be told it’s not a big deal, or that we’re playing into the hands of ’a few bad apples’.

Never mind that ONE bad apple spoils the batch, and the GOP is pretty much ENTIRELY bad apples, with a few good ones clinging desperately to the only bushel they’ve ever known for dear life.

I've seen both sides suggest individual things that are undemocratic, but only one side that has called to end the practice of it altogether. One guy jaywalking doesn't excuse someone else committing murder.

Precisely.

Both sides have problems that need to be addressed.

Both sides are not ‘the same’.

One side is calling ‘jokingly’ for the end of democracy (while enacting and championing policies and politicians who do exactly that, bit by bit.)

The other side is a bit messy in how it brings the disadvantaged to the table.

I’ll take the side that has some problems, but ISN’T openly working hard to destroy everything America is supposed to stand for. I can actually WORK with the Democratic Party and try to help them course correct, when I think they’re going the wrong direction. They tend to actually listen to, and respond to, people’s wishes and concerns, and while far slower than we’d like, the Democratic Party DOES work to EVENTUALLY move in the direction of progress and justice.

At this point, though, it’s clear to anyone with eyes that there’s just no course correction for the GOP. They tied their party to a sinking ship full of Confederate and Nazi rats, with a Golden Ass as an anchor.

A Tshirt is a serious claim supported by many in the DNC because they didn't respond to it, but literal actions & words of National Socialists, Elected Officials, and people like LoTT are repeatedly ignored because it's clear those facts and specifics don't matter if they are contrary to his feelings & preconceptions. When some of the posts in question are mentioned/quoted by many in the last 2 days it's clear Sealioning to ask for links. I mean, why spend less than 3 minutes looking when you can get another to spend that time for you, so it's even less effort to ignore/dismiss it later.

Politics is a like a neighborhood potluck.

Everyone who expects to take part in the potluck is expected to bring a dish to share. You personally might not like every dish. Some dishes, you may STRONGLY disagree with. But they’re at least recognizably food. You can get your food, everyone else can get theirs, and everyone’s learning about one another and interacting. And maybe you TRY that peanut butter soup you think SOUNDS gross, and realize you actually…kind of like it?

The modern GOP is the creepy guy at the end of the street with the Nazi flags in his windows, the caved in roof covered in moss, and the overgrown lawn (with the feral dogs and skeletal cars) who keeps showing up and bringing dog-**** casseroles to our potlucks, trying to take all of the actual food for himself, and then whining that he’s being unfairly persecuted for his patriotism and religious beliefs.

It’s WELL past time we stopped inviting the GOP to the American potluck until they can figure out that dog-**** isn’t food.

Or at least they stop insisting that they are well within their rights to take whatever they want from the potluck, since the invitation only says to ‘bring a dish’, it doesn’t specify that the dish has to be ‘food’…

This sounds like a rational thing to do, and there was a time when shunning like this brought about change. Now it's Cancel Culture to try, and there are enough of them that they just retreat to their own bubbles and complain about liberals & safe spaces or whatever their individual gripes are for the moment. This will result in them becoming even worse in their extremism rather than awakening them to their role in the situation.

What I say to even the most jaded is that you might think the Democrats are offering a Crap Sandwich, but the Republicans are offering a Crap Sandwich sourced from cholera victims. The first is disgusting, the second is possibly lethal. And that is to the most politically jaded people I know.

Interesting metaphor, I might steal it.

He doesn’t — he expects his party to force others to accept their rule regardless of what is said on this forum, thus the condescension for those who point out the dishonesty in his rhetoric, his support for an openly white nationalist party, and his lack of concern for the victims of white supremacist policies, rhetoric and violence.

He defended Trump placing immigrant children in camps — it’s clear where he stands.

Authoritarians aren’t interested in finding common ground — their goal is to subjugate others to their will even if it means pretending they don’t see posts about Nazis parading openly at CPAC and in other Republican/conservative circles.

His shown thought processes relate gender affirming care with the words mutilation & castration, relate the teaching of LGBTQ+ equality with teaching kids about sexual deviance & deadly disease, and show a willingness to assume hidden/dark/sinister/BLANK motives in regards to liberals at all levels while retaining the benefit of the doubt only for conservatives regardless of how damning the circumstance. He refuses to admit when he's wrong, ignores what he doesn't want to address, instinctively corrects others even when factually in the wrong, and pretends to be ignorant of so many concepts, arguments, & ideas I couldn't hope to list them all. All the while he claims to be focused on specifics and facts, with a desire to be on the factually correct side rather than the "right" one. Everything I bring up here I have provided links for in the past when Mets has asked for it, only for them to be talked past to gaslight others, "misunderstood" to lead to a strawman argument, or outright ignored.

So basically:

Which is why people should judge Republicans by their actions and not by their lies.

Precisely.

[Agent Z]

Sudan: Horrific violations and abuses as fighting spreads - report.

[JCAll]

Darn that ‘secret’ cabal of Nazis and Nazi sympathizers at CPAC…but I’m sure we’re all misreading things, and it’s not as bad as it looks…

I'd be more shocked to learn there were non-Nazis at CPAC. I just thought that's what CPAC was for.

[CaptainEurope]

You'd think this would be a bigger story than much of the press is treating it.

MAGA has bullied the media into submission with claims of a "Russia Hoax". It's sad to see.

[CaptainEurope]

My guess is the likeliest reason CPAC used a symbol associated with white supremacy was that it was an accident.

I was unaware that they openly embraced Nazis. What are you referring to with that comment? Links would be appreciated.

If there is not blatant and unmistakable Nazification, that would reflect poorly on anyone making those claims.

Can you clarify please? What have I said that you disagree with?

Let's just say I am worried by your lack of outrage at the blatant fascism growing in the party you still associate with, paired with your willingness to blame those who are outraged over it.

[From The Shadows]

Which is why people should judge Republicans by their actions and not by their lies.

Out of all that is going on around the world and what needs to be fixed in this country they are concentrating on DRAG??? These people are always about free speech and personal freedoms when its them only.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Which is why people should judge Republicans by their actions and not by their lies.

Well, Neo-Nazis are a big part of the GQP's voting bloc, so the party's leaders can't afford to piss them off.

[Tendrin]

A classic.

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[CaptainEurope]

A New Orleans magician says a Democratic operative working for Dean Phillips paid him to make the fake Biden robocall

Steve Kramer is a longtime political operative, having worked for dozens of campaigns over 20 years including the 2020 presidential campaign of Ye. So calling him a "Democratic operative" might be misleading.

[Catlady in training]

Hungarian parliament is supposed to vote on approving Sweden's NATO membership today afternoon. I'll wait with celebration until it happens, but it might just be some good news in a week of mostly bad news.

[CaptainEurope]

Court thingies just from the last 7 days:

1. Judge Kaplan refused let trump stay his $83.3M judgment in the E Jean Carroll case

2. Judge Engoron refused to let trump stay his $354M disgorgement in the NYAG Civil Fraud trial

3.. Wayne LaPierre of the NRA found liable for $5M

4. SCOTUS allows sanctions against the "Elite Kraken Strikeforce" to stand for the election fraud lies

5. GOP's star Biden impeachment witness was indicted for fabricating the GOP's "smoking gun" document

6. The Sandy Hook families voted to liquidate Alex Jones' assets

7. Jim Biden's testimony further undercuts GOP sham impeachment

8. The Wisconsin Ethics Commission referred the trump campaign committee for criminal investigation

[CaptainEurope]

Details on one of those points:

Alex Jones Estate Liquidation Gets Sandy Hook Families’ Vote

The families of Sandy Hook school shooting victims voted overwhelmingly in favor of a plan to wrap up Alex Jones’ bankruptcy proceedings by liquidating the right wing talk show host’s assets.


The vote indicates the creditors’ preference over a competing plan submitted by Jones that would allow him to reorganize by preserving parts of his media empire and paying the group at least $5.5 million a year over 10 years. His plan would provide additional creditor recoveries out of disposable income from Jones’ bankrupt Infowars parent company, portions of Jones’ personal income, and the proceeds from selling various personal assets.

So the families decided that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, especially if the bush is a weasel like Jones who would continue to try to find ways to cheat them out of their money.

[JackDaw]

Hungarian parliament is supposed to vote on approving Sweden's NATO membership today afternoon. I'll wait with celebration until it happens, but it might just be some good news in a week of mostly bad news.

I would never take Orban’s cooperation for granted in any enlightened venture.

Is he still making it difficult for rest of EU to help Ukraine?

[CaptainEurope]

I would never take Orban’s cooperation for granted in any enlightened venture.

Is he still making it difficult for rest of EU to help Ukraine?

No, I think Ursula von der Leyen asked him into her office and slowly peeled an apple with a pen knife in front of him, explaining how many blood vessels are in one square inch of human skin.

[kidfresh512]

I help people build their families. Now the Alabama Supreme Court’s decision won’t let me.

For 13 years it has been an honor and a privilege to practice as a fertility doctor in the state of Alabama. As a reproductive endocrinologist initially at the University of Alabama and now in private practice at Alabama Fertility, my professional career has been to care for patients who are trying to build their families and to teach younger doctors to do the same.

Following the Alabama State Supreme Court ruling last week that embryos have the same rights as children and that their destruction amounts to wrongful death, my partners and I made the devastating but necessary decision to stop In-vitro fertilization (IVF) procedures. I am accustomed to difficult conversations with patients as we together navigate failed treatments and negative pregnancy tests, miscarriages, and ectopic pregnancies.

The phone calls I have made over the past twenty-four hours to tell my patients that we have to cancel their treatment have been the worst in my career. IVF treatments require weeks if not months of planning and involve medications, injections and procedures. More importantly, a patient’s decision to do IVF requires courage, commitment, and trust in their physician. The abrupt cancellation of IVF in our state has been a tragedy for all. The patients have lost their chance to start or add to their family. Doctors, like me, have been restricted from providing the medical care their patients entrusted them to provide and deserve.

Doctors want and are obliged to provide their patients with safe and effective treatment options. An oncologist would never be expected to treat cancer without chemotherapy or radiation. A surgeon would never be asked to operate without proper surgical equipment. It is unethical to expect a fertility doctor to care for their patients without offering IVF. That is below the standard of our field. No physician would willingly provide care that is substandard. No patient should have to see a doctor that cannot provide them with all of their treatment options.

Such a disgrace. Like Alabama didn't already have some of the worst Healthcare in the nation before this mess.