Mary Jane Watson-Parker Appreciation 2024.

[Konnik92]

"Let's pose dramatically in our skintight costumes" .

"Sex sells", what can you do?

[9AlphaOmega1]

"Let's pose dramatically in our skintight costumes" .

Posing dramatically on covers is a stable thing in comics. For some reason the Jackpot costume gets bad and bad on new covers.

I read some rumors in 4chan saying that the last arc in Wells' run will be titles "A world with love", countering the first arc named "A world without love".

I don't know if this is true, but I hope it will be.

Since as I mentioned before, Wells seems to care to write Spider-Man adventures stories and not Peter Parker/Spider-Man stories. I too doubt the last arc is that, based on how little he writes about MJ. The more information about Jackpot comes out and how slow it comes out, the more I thinks it was editorials that wanted Jackpot, probably way back on Brand New Day.

[Konnik92]

Posing dramatically on covers is a stable thing in comics. For some reason the Jackpot costume gets bad and bad on new covers.

Now matter the artist, the poses MJ makes or anything at all will make the Jackpot costume looks good. The moment the first announcement about MJ as jackpot came with the costume design, we all knew it was horrible. You can tell that they were going for a "casino card dealer or sexy waitress in Las Vegas" theme here. Thank goodness the Jackpot concept backfired and I seriously doubt that after the mini, they'll announce more.

Since as I mentioned before, Wells seems to care to write Spider-Man adventures stories and not Peter Parker/Spider-Man stories. I too doubt the last arc is that, based on how little he writes about MJ. The more information about Jackpot comes out and how slow it comes out, the more I thinks it was editorials that wanted Jackpot, probably way back on Brand New Day.

Yeah, it's not rocket science that this was an attempt to get MJ out ot ASM, by making her a superhero, while having a family without Peter. I don't care what Slott said about "readers cannot put two and two together - they think that if they hear clopping sounds, they think it's a zebra coming instead of a horse" - their intentions are so readable most of the times.

[Kevinroc]

Now matter the artist, the poses MJ makes or anything at all will make the Jackpot costume looks good. The moment the first announcement about MJ as jackpot came with the costume design, we all knew it was horrible. You can tell that they were going for a "casino card dealer or sexy waitress in Las Vegas" theme here. Thank goodness the Jackpot concept backfired and I seriously doubt that after the mini, they'll announce more.



Yeah, it's not rocket science that this was an attempt to get MJ out ot ASM, by making her a superhero, while having a family without Peter. I don't care what Slott said about "readers cannot put two and two together - they think that if they hear clopping sounds, they think it's a zebra coming instead of a horse" - their intentions are so readable most of the times.

I don't think they ever thought this would last forever or anything. By their own argument that things can't really change long-term, that means they can't really change MJ or her place in the franchise long-term either.

[NC_Yankee]

Posing dramatically on covers is a stable thing in comics. For some reason the Jackpot costume gets bad and bad on new covers.



Since as I mentioned before, Wells seems to care to write Spider-Man adventures stories and not Peter Parker/Spider-Man stories. I too doubt the last arc is that, based on how little he writes about MJ. The more information about Jackpot comes out and how slow it comes out, the more I thinks it was editorials that wanted Jackpot, probably way back on Brand New Day.

I wish the final arc would be saying adios to OMD/BND, but Wells would not do that. My gut tells me it will be Paul related.

[Frontier]

"Sex sells", what can you do?

I mean, that's probably what's going to be selling the mini the most if they bank on it...

[Konnik92]

I don't think they ever thought this would last forever or anything. By their own argument that things can't really change long-term, that means they can't really change MJ or her place in the franchise long-term either.

I wouldn't be suprised if they though they could just "power through" with this latest attempt, just like Quesada did with OMD - MJ, being "married" to another man and "having two kids with him" is a very bold (and very stupid miskate that will 100% backfire immediately) step from them to make, because post OMD was usually "Peter and MJ have a fight, thet brake up (or usually MJ is the one who break it up) and date other people and in the end they come back together, rince and repeat". Either that or they though "as long as the end of the journey is to clean the table for the next team, we do not care how the journey itself was", which is ridiculous IMO. All this starus quo did thus far was leave people burned out and simply waiting for the run.

I mean, that's probably what's going to be selling the mini the most if they bank on it...

I suppose that's their "plan B", if they cannot win the readers with competent and compelling writing. The way Bronfman wrote the stories in the annual, ASM #31 and the Jackpot one-shot, the way the art is done and the body languages of the heroines shows be that their "appeal" will be focused a lot.

[Kevinroc]

I wouldn't be suprised if they though they could just "power through" with this latest attempt, just like Quesada did with OMD - MJ, being "married" to another man and "having two kids with him" is a very bold (and very stupid miskate that will 100% backfire immediately) step from them to make, because post OMD was usually "Peter and MJ have a fight, thet brake up (or usually MJ is the one who break it up) and date other people and in the end they come back together, rince and repeat". Either that or they though "as long as the end of the journey is to clean the table for the next team, we do not care how the journey itself was", which is ridiculous IMO. All this starus quo did thus far was leave people burned out and simply waiting for the run.

This just seems too conspiratorial to me. I don't think they're really thinking about this like that.

[PanicPixieDreamGirl]

Help me out with something: Is the MJ of Spider-Gwen's world bisexual? I vaguely remember an instance of her dating Glory Grant but can't find it anywhere, and I keep hearing delightful rumors that she flirts with Gwen herself these days.

[Frontier]

Help me out with something: Is the MJ of Spider-Gwen's world bisexual? I vaguely remember an instance of her dating Glory Grant but can't find it anywhere, and I keep hearing delightful rumors that she flirts with Gwen herself these days.

She has been dating Glory. I think they showed an ex-boyfriend once.

[MisterTorgo]

This just seems too conspiratorial to me. I don't think they're really thinking about this like that.

As much as my brain goes to conspiratorial places with these things, I'm sure you're right. Their thinking will always be more transactional. Namely, "What sells more books?". Whether or not Jackpot pans out as a standalone concept that can move issues is probably a defining question for folks up there, as well as the tired notion of "Spider-Man can't be married AND be relatable! Kids won't be that!". Even if some creatives there don't like her or her being tied so closely to Peter, I have to think that if Jackpot doesn't move units and if a tied-down Spider-Man does move units, the powers-that-be can be swayed. Some of them, at least.

I wouldn't be suprised if they though they could just "power through" with this latest attempt, just like Quesada did with OMD - MJ, being "married" to another man and "having two kids with him" is a very bold (and very stupid miskate that will 100% backfire immediately) step from them to make, because post OMD was usually "Peter and MJ have a fight, thet brake up (or usually MJ is the one who break it up) and date other people and in the end they come back together, rince and repeat". Either that or they though "as long as the end of the journey is to clean the table for the next team, we do not care how the journey itself was", which is ridiculous IMO. All this starus quo did thus far was leave people burned out and simply waiting for the run.

I also imagine they might have been taken aback by the degree of the backlash to this Paul stuff, too. Heck, even if the break up and getting together with Paul were a more gradual thing that didn't feel so cruelly done RIGHT as Pete and MJ were about to move in together, it STILL would have been tiresome. Eventually, will-they-or-won't-they has to be resolved. Heck, by the end of Raimi's SPIDER-MAN 2, I had the feeling that folks were tired of it and that took up much less time than the comics. Adding the other issues with Paul and everything, it easily made a lot of people upset, regardless of whether or not they were planning to "put the toys back in the box".

[Daibhidh]

Help me out with something: Is the MJ of Spider-Gwen's world bisexual? I vaguely remember an instance of her dating Glory Grant but can't find it anywhere, and I keep hearing delightful rumors that she flirts with Gwen herself these days.

There's definitely a panel in which she's sleeping with Glory.
It was implied in Gwen's second issue that MJ has a massive crush on Gwen; it only got more blatant as time wore on.
MJ has an ex-boyfriend so she is presumably bisexual, unless they were only dating while she was unsure of her sexuality.

[SturdyMike89]

I mean, that's probably what's going to be selling the mini the most if they bank on it...

I mean, to be fair Mary Jane has always been a very attractive woman and her beauty has always been a strong selling point from the very beginning. Ok maybe not her shadowy Steve Ditko cameo, but you get my point.

[Huntsman Spider]

Help me out with something: Is the MJ of Spider-Gwen's world bisexual? I vaguely remember an instance of her dating Glory Grant but can't find it anywhere, and I keep hearing delightful rumors that she flirts with Gwen herself these days.

She has been dating Glory. I think they showed an ex-boyfriend once.

There's definitely a panel in which she's sleeping with Glory.
It was implied in Gwen's second issue that MJ has a massive crush on Gwen; it only got more blatant as time wore on.
MJ has an ex-boyfriend so she is presumably bisexual, unless they were only dating while she was unsure of her sexuality.

Pretty much all of this, though as of the last Spider-Gwen: Smash issue, Gwen finally knows . . . just in time for Em Jay to get kidnapped and transformed back into Earth-65's Carnage.

[Refrax5]

He should be if you add up all the holidays, birthdays, on-screen timeskips (a year here six months there), etc.

I just kinda shrug it off as Marvel's sliding timescale, coupled with the fact that this is supposedly like the 6th iteration of the 616 universe to exist.

I still think, just based on how old Normie is by now, that Peter would have to be at least 30. But it's comics. Time doesn't quite work the same way in their universe.