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    Missed opportunity to add JACKAL and CHASM in the title dudes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Refrax5 View Post
    I don't really feel that way overall. These are fictional characters and characters have been fixed from much worse than this. I remember evil murderous Tony Stark getting replaced by a teenage version, Hydra Cap, Punisher murdering litterers, Green Lantern killing trillions of people, Wally West killing his friends and mutilating their bodies to frame two innocent people, Jason Todd shooting a kid, etc. Ben's craziness was never his fault and something that was done TO him. All you have to do is give him his mind back and move on. People are sabotaging the character by blowing things out of proportion and refusing to accept even a hypothetical reformation of the character.

    It's an easy fix and bound to happen eventually. And if nobody supports it, editorial will absolutely take the wrong lesson from that.
    That's why I specified "brand"

    They can absolutely "fix" Ben. Reboot him, remake him, send him to a Reiki doctor. I hope they do and I hope it's an enjoyable experience for those who read it.

    But in the same way as a company, service, product or artist loses me through repeated poor experiences, I'm off in the woods as far as Ben Reilly is concerned. Once you get the ick.

    While I take your sentiment and empathise...I'm also not here to teach editorial any "lessons". Nobody has that responsibility outside of the company. And nobody is "sabotaging the character" either. That's not something to put on the audience's shoulders
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    Quote Originally Posted by Refrax5 View Post
    I don't really feel that way overall. These are fictional characters and characters have been fixed from much worse than this. I remember evil murderous Tony Stark getting replaced by a teenage version, Hydra Cap, Punisher murdering litterers, Green Lantern killing trillions of people, Wally West killing his friends and mutilating their bodies to frame two innocent people, Jason Todd shooting a kid, etc. Ben's craziness was never his fault and something that was done TO him. All you have to do is give him his mind back and move on. People are sabotaging the character by blowing things out of proportion and refusing to accept even a hypothetical reformation of the character.

    It's an easy fix and bound to happen eventually. And if nobody supports it, editorial will absolutely take the wrong lesson from that.
    I'm in the same boat as you, hoping CHASM: Curse of Kaine starts to put Ben on the way to being a hero again. That's why I prefer him alive. Because dead could very well mean forgotten for non - A-listers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sr. Bungle View Post
    I'm in the same boat as you, hoping CHASM: Curse of Kaine starts to put Ben on the way to being a hero again. That's why I prefer him alive. Because dead could very well mean forgotten for non - A-listers
    Or it's used as a stealth Rek-Rap book to make Chasm a rek-rap villain because he escapes limbo and Kaine is just there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercwmouth12 View Post
    Or it's used as a stealth Rek-Rap book to make Chasm a rek-rap villain because he escapes limbo and Kaine is just there
    Speaking of...Is there any hint on what the book will be about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sr. Bungle View Post
    Speaking of...Is there any hint on what the book will be about?
    Well according to the last ASM letters page most were about rel rap and Lowe even brought up his dark web editor persona and that you don't need Peter Parker to have him in a book it's safe to say it's with chasm getting out of limbo so it's rek rap going after him and kaines along for the ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercwmouth12 View Post
    Well according to the last ASM letters page most were about rel rap and Lowe even brought up his dark web editor persona and that you don't need Peter Parker to have him in a book it's safe to say it's with chasm getting out of limbo so it's rek rap going after him and kaines along for the ride
    I really really hope that you're wrong

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    It looks like we dodged a bullet with the art in the Chasm event / mini
    https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/17...rV0g7P0zg&s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercwmouth12 View Post
    Well according to the last ASM letters page most were about rel rap and Lowe even brought up his dark web editor persona and that you don't need Peter Parker to have him in a book it's safe to say it's with chasm getting out of limbo so it's rek rap going after him and kaines along for the ride
    Quote Originally Posted by Sr. Bungle View Post
    I really really hope that you're wrong


    Please, dear god, no.
    I don't even hate Rek-Rap that much still, but holy **** if they did that that I would outright refuse to pick the book up. Give him his own damn mini if you want to make one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sr. Bungle View Post
    It looks like we dodged a bullet with the art in the Chasm event / mini
    https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/17...rV0g7P0zg&s=19
    THANK GOD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sr. Bungle View Post
    It looks like we dodged a bullet with the art in the Chasm event / mini
    https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/17...rV0g7P0zg&s=19
    So Greg Land will be too busy on Thor . . . considering this will be at least the second time an evil corporate conglomerate has attempted to take ownership of a superhero, think Roxxon will fare any better with Thor than Beyond Corporation did with Spider-Man?
    The spider is always on the hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    So Greg Land will be too busy on Thor . . . considering this will be at least the second time an evil corporate conglomerate has attempted to take ownership of a superhero, think Roxxon will fare any better with Thor than Beyond Corporation did with Spider-Man?
    Well, to be fair, Beyond Corporation didn't own Marvel Comics (the source of all stories) whereas Roxxon now does. So...I'd say that they have better odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainUniverse View Post
    Well, to be fair, Beyond Corporation didn't own Marvel Comics (the source of all stories) whereas Roxxon now does. So...I'd say that they have better odds.
    Well, damn. The in-universe Marvel Comics, or the actual Marvel Comics?
    The spider is always on the hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Well, damn. The in-universe Marvel Comics, or the actual Marvel Comics?
    I am not sure...all I know is that Dario Agger bought out Marvel Comics and that doing so gives him full control over the stories of the Marvel Universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainUniverse View Post
    I am not sure...all I know is that Dario Agger bought out Marvel Comics and that doing so gives him full control over the stories of the Marvel Universe.
    That sounds frightening. Very frightening.
    The spider is always on the hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sr. Bungle View Post
    It looks like we dodged a bullet with the art in the Chasm event / mini
    https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/17...rV0g7P0zg&s=19
    why does this artist get so much hate in the community?
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