To Know Her Is To Fear Her: Jessica Drew The Spider-Woman Appreciation 2024

[Digifiend]

Is there a link to who these new Champions are?

They were from a variant cover set last year and cameoed in Timeless last month. Not all are on this team - Storm's counterpart Maystorm is being used in Ultimate X-Men (the actual Ultimate Storm is in Ultimate Black Panther instead).

[Marvel Wars]

Marvel's history of getting rid of kids...

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Pete and MJ's kid dies at birth. Cyclops and Maddie's son Nathan is infected with T/O virus and is sent into the future...returns as Cable but the point is that Scott doesn't need to actually be shown raising his son in real time. Rahne and Hrimhari's son Tier is killed by Guido Siryn and Madrox's child...after showing Siryn going through the whole pregnancy...is just a Madrox dupe who is reabsorbed by Madrox. Johnny Storm's baby mama shows up to tell him she is pregnant...only to end the story by her jumping into the time platform and disappearing...never to be seen again. Steve Rogers adopts child Ian Zola in Dimension Z...but Steve comes home alone leaving Ian behind only for an adult Ian to show up later because time runs differently in Dimension z Dishonorable mention: Jean Grey's nephew and niece...died before Krakoa but should be backed up in Cerebro. You would think Jean would ask for her family be prioritized but the kids are not even mentioned.

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Thank you, you can also add Havoc and the Wasp's daughter from Uncanny Avengers

[Chris0013]

Thank you, you can also add Havoc and the Wasp's daughter from Uncanny Avengers

Her as well...Marvel should not introduce children (or the possibility of children) without the commitment to see it through that the kid grows up relatively normally.

[Dreaded Porcupine]

Her as well...Marvel should not introduce children (or the possibility of children) without the commitment to see it through that the kid grows up relatively normally.

Exactly! If my daughters were infants and then suddenly teenagers or adults I would be devastated. Missing out on all the years they were growing up. Marvel went with the perceived quick fix instead of leaving well enough alone. Editorial is pretty heartless. They need to put themselves in Jess’ shoes so they can realize how traumatizing this is. Marvel has completely destroyed Dennis Hopeless Hallum’s run. A successful run I might add.

[OBrianTallent]

Her as well...Marvel should not introduce children (or the possibility of children) without the commitment to see it through that the kid grows up relatively normally.

Exactly! If my daughters were infants and then suddenly teenagers or adults I would be devastated. Missing out on all the years they were growing up. Marvel went with the perceived quick fix instead of leaving well enough alone. Editorial is pretty heartless. They need to put themselves in Jess’ shoes so they can realize how traumatizing this is. Marvel has completely destroyed Dennis Hopeless Hallum’s run. A successful run I might add.

That's exactly why they do it...super hero comics are at their heart soap opera, any long form story telling is actually. Add to that, there's very little about super hero characters or their lives that classify as "normal" they are by definition abnormal. Relationships are used to create dramatic tension, families are used for dramatic tension. How do you create that with characters who face world ending situations on a daily basis...you put their loved ones in mortal jeopardy, completely remove them from the person's life (death, disappearance) or alter them in a way that creates tension...age up, mind wipe, villainous turn. Watch any five episodes of a daily soap opera and you will generally see these played out in some form. (Are there any soap operas even on tv any more?) The evil family member is likewise an age old trope for serialized fiction.
Plus, Gerry is hardly the first. Cable is probably the biggest example. Franklin Richards has at times been aged up down and sideways. More recently, Jon Kent in Superman. With Hydra having a history of aging kids up (isn't that in one of Jessica's origins?) it's not really a surprise they went that route. We've been talking about that possibility in this thread even.

All that to say...heroes having kids is going to happen and those kids being put in ridiculously abnormal situations is going to happen including aging up for the very reason that it allows them to create emotional and mental trauma for the hero but also creates a certain degree of emotional resonation with the reader...and that generates talk and talk potentially turns into sales.

[Digifiend]

Jessica wasn't aged up, quite the opposite in fact, she was in cryostasis due to an illness (radiation poisoning), I think? She may be physically in her 30s, but she was born much further back than the 1980s.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Jessi...16)#Experiment

[OBrianTallent]

Jessica wasn't aged up, quite the opposite in fact, she was in cryostasis due to an illness (radiation poisoning), I think? She may be physically in her 30s, but she was born much further back than the 1980s.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Jessi...16)#Experiment

I was thinking one of hers was that she was aged up. they've messed with her origin here and there and I forget what is or isn't. Thanks for clarification.

[Dreaded Porcupine]

That's exactly why they do it...super hero comics are at their heart soap opera, any long form story telling is actually. Add to that, there's very little about super hero characters or their lives that classify as "normal" they are by definition abnormal. Relationships are used to create dramatic tension, families are used for dramatic tension. How do you create that with characters who face world ending situations on a daily basis...you put their loved ones in mortal jeopardy, completely remove them from the person's life (death, disappearance) or alter them in a way that creates tension...age up, mind wipe, villainous turn. Watch any five episodes of a daily soap opera and you will generally see these played out in some form. (Are there any soap operas even on tv any more?) The evil family member is likewise an age old trope for serialized fiction.
Plus, Gerry is hardly the first. Cable is probably the biggest example. Franklin Richards has at times been aged up down and sideways. More recently, Jon Kent in Superman. With Hydra having a history of aging kids up (isn't that in one of Jessica's origins?) it's not really a surprise they went that route. We've been talking about that possibility in this thread even.

All that to say...heroes having kids is going to happen and those kids being put in ridiculously abnormal situations is going to happen including aging up for the very reason that it allows them to create emotional and mental trauma for the hero but also creates a certain degree of emotional resonation with the reader...and that generates talk and talk potentially turns into sales.

Well Jess could definitely use the sales. I just don’t see a solution that most people don’t like improving sales. It will be interesting how Marvel plays this. Hero/villain? Frequent appearances or does Gerry just run off with Hydra and disappear into the sun set. Hopefully all this mental trauma doesn’t turn Jess into a crazy person. It will be interesting. I’m sure she is going to turn Hydra upside down and get to the bottom of it.

[Chris0013]

Well Jess could definitely use the sales. I just don’t see a solution that most people don’t like improving sales. It will be interesting how Marvel plays this. Hero/villain? Frequent appearances or does Gerry just run off with Hydra and disappear into the sun set. Hopefully all this mental trauma doesn’t turn Jess into a crazy person. It will be interesting. I’m sure she is going to turn Hydra upside down and get to the bottom of it.

And I still go back to "how did Hydra make everyone forget Gerry?"

[danielsan52]

Spider-Woman #4 preview is up.

[Chris0013]

Foxe just keeps pissing me off with this crap. spoilers:

Wouldn't Lindsay or her niece Rebecca make more sense for a babysitter considering the break up? And Roger finds himself in an apartment with a kid and just abandons him? And since everyone forgot Gerry because Jess got erased...wouldn't they remember the little guy when Jess came back?

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[danielsan52]

Foxe just keeps pissing me off with this crap. spoilers:

Wouldn't Lindsay or her niece Rebecca make more sense for a babysitter considering the break up? And Roger finds himself in an apartment with a kid and just abandons him? And since everyone forgot Gerry because Jess got erased...wouldn't they remember the little guy when Jess came back?

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I’m sure there’s more to it than that.

[Digifiend]

Foxe just keeps pissing me off with this crap. spoilers:

Wouldn't Lindsay or her niece Rebecca make more sense for a babysitter considering the break up? And Roger finds himself in an apartment with a kid and just abandons him? And since everyone forgot Gerry because Jess got erased...wouldn't they remember the little guy when Jess came back?

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Yeah, there's got to be more to it, otherwise Carol and Julia would've remembered.

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[Dreaded Porcupine]

Foxe just keeps pissing me off with this crap. spoilers:

Wouldn't Lindsay or her niece Rebecca make more sense for a babysitter considering the break up? And Roger finds himself in an apartment with a kid and just abandons him? And since everyone forgot Gerry because Jess got erased...wouldn't they remember the little guy when Jess came back?

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I have to agree with you here. This is pretty effed up. Does Jess even have a supporting cast anymore?

[Chris0013]

I have to agree with you here. This is pretty effed up. Does Jess even have a supporting cast anymore?

Apparently they all forgot her.