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    Quote Originally Posted by Fokken View Post
    Lost her how?
    We never see her as just Carol Danvers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcekada View Post
    We never see her as just Carol Danvers.
    It feels like the character's entire personality was sacrificed for the slogan, Higher! Faster! Further!
    "The Marvel EIC Chair has a certain curse that goes along with it: it tends to drive people insane, and ultimately, out of the business altogether. It is the notorious last stop for many staffers, as once you've sat in The Big Chair, your pariah status is usually locked in." Christopher Priest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    It feels like the character's entire personality was sacrificed for the slogan, Higher! Faster! Further!
    I agree. I think TPTB made a lot of bad decisions when they made Carol in CM, and that character is still floundering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    You speak the truth. She needs to get a life. Get an actual supporting cast that isn't made up of superheroes. Maybe try for a career in writing again.? With everything she has seen she would be a great sci-fi author. Maybe she can be a pilot? Is it possible her identity can be made secret again?
    Dunno if go back to that is a good idea. That seems like a burned bridge.
    But there are some thoughts. Marvel indeed has been so worried about make her Captain Marvel than little is know to Carol and the chance to have to see more of Carol in Life of Captain Marvel. Don't she have more famuly or friends who don't shoot lasers from their eyes? The family, the brothers than matters are not the ones she grew up with but the ones she received from space. Don't she have any newphew who could admire her in some way?

    Maybe I can't see the whole picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    You speak the truth. She needs to get a life. Get an actual supporting cast that isn't made up of superheroes. Maybe try for a career in writing again.? With everything she has seen she would be a great sci-fi author. Maybe she can be a pilot? Is it possible her identity can be made secret again?
    Get tried for crimes against sentient life too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhawkman View Post
    Get tried for crimes against sentient life too?
    Are you referencing Tom King's Adam Strange?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    Are you referencing Tom King's Adam Strange?
    No, the MCU

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhawkman View Post
    No, the MCU
    Oh, ok LOL. The character also needs a city that isn't New York. What about Boston? It would help the character if they had a place of their own. Oh, and return to the black costume. The current costume makes her look like a mariachi/majorette depending on which hat you imagine her wearing LOL.
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    A Marvel superhero living in a city than isn't New York? Preposterous! Heresy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    Oh, ok LOL. The character also needs a city that isn't New York. What about Boston? It would help the character if they had a place of their own. Oh, and return to the black costume. The current costume makes her look like a mariachi/majorette depending on which hat you imagine her wearing LOL.
    The only way I ever see Carol going back to the Cockrum style is if they modify it. At the very least they'd probably add pants. The thunderbolt emblem could be an issue too as it's now associated with Kamala.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    Oh, ok LOL. The character also needs a city that isn't New York. What about Boston? It would help the character if they had a place of their own. Oh, and return to the black costume. The current costume makes her look like a mariachi/majorette depending on which hat you imagine her wearing LOL.
    Boston's a good pick. also New Haven Connecticut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    The only way I ever see Carol going back to the Cockrum style is if they modify it. At the very least they'd probably add pants. The thunderbolt emblem could be an issue too as it's now associated with Kamala.
    As much as I loved it, I don't see going back to it or even a modified version -- especially since Kamala appropriate the embem. But Carol's Captain Marvel outfits have all been less than impressive. Way too utilitarian for a character who previously had a sense of style. Marvel has tried unsuccessfully to make Carol into something she is not. Like it or not, she is an offshoot of Mar-Vell and it's almost unbelievable the levels taken to separate Carol from his legacy. There was nothing wrong with Carol when she was portrayed as Ms. Marvel. Okay, the cutout belly uniform was way too early 70s, but once that was fixed, her outfit was fine. I am, however, okay with her being 'promoted' to Captain Marvel. It's the execution that's been lacking.

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    The only way to make a comic like that nowadays would be as one of those nostalgia comics set in the past. It wouldn't work in the modern setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcekada View Post
    As much as I loved it, I don't see going back to it or even a modified version -- especially since Kamala appropriate the embem. But Carol's Captain Marvel outfits have all been less than impressive. Way too utilitarian for a character who previously had a sense of style.
    Because the character for whom being militar was just a step in a life project was replaced by a character to whom being a militar was a life objetive.

    Quote Originally Posted by kcekada View Post
    Marvel has tried unsuccessfully to make Carol into something she is not. Like it or not, she is an offshoot of Mar-Vell and it's almost unbelievable the levels taken to separate Carol from his legacy.
    Like make her mom a kree and call her Kal-El, sorry , Car-Ell. Subtle, really subtle. Car-Oll could had worked fine too, you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by kcekada View Post
    There was nothing wrong with Carol when she was portrayed as Ms. Marvel. Okay, the cutout belly uniform was way too early 70s, but once that was fixed, her outfit was fine. I am, however, okay with her being 'promoted' to Captain Marvel. It's the execution that's been lacking.
    Alex Ross had a good idea. classic and slylish too. Hell, even in the later movies they had inclined to a more red central colored suit:

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