How improve WW's position if rights become public domain like mickey and winnie?

[Guy_McNichts]

Thing is, it's not really a matter of how long Wonder Woman's been depicted flying. Marston's Wonder Woman didn't fly, but he never said she never could or would. The Golden Age was pretty notorious for playing fast and loose with characters' powers, and that extends beyond WW. Superman's powers back then were pretty much "whatever will resolve the plot" and it wasn't until the 50s that DC set down what his powers are and are not.

In regard to WW, if Warner/DC were to take such a dispute to court, what they would need to prove is that flying is an absolutely integral part of their version of Wonder Woman and no other derivatives should be allowed.

The rub is I think one could make a decent case that Warner/DC doesn't actually believe that and never has.

If this went to court, they would have to address questions like:
"If flying is so important to Wonder Woman, why didn't she in the 2017 movie? Why didn't she fly in the 2009 animated movie?"
"Will she fly in the Monotlith video game, and if not, has anyone insisted she should?"
"When Joss Whedon was attached to make her film in 2003 and declared she would not fly because, his words, 'We already have a guy who can fly,' did he receive any push-back from the company?"

I'm sure there are definitely examples of DC insisting upon creators that Superman MUST fly, and if he doesn't, there needs to be a damn good explanation/justification.
But Wonder Woman? It's kinda clear that many creators that have worked for DC--and some surely still do--see Diana's powers (in general; not even just flight) as purely optional with no push-back from the higher-ups.

In fact, one of the few times they did crack down on a creator's use of her abilities that I'm aware of was when they told Phil Jimenez that WW can only be the best fighter if she's on the ground and not in the air.
I'm sure there are creators that have gone on the record over the years saying they think Wonder Woman should never fly. Stuff like that would not help Warner/DC's case.

Like I said, when Wonder Woman goes to public domain, Warner/DC might have to start giving some serious thought as to what they consider integral to their version of her. Because it's no secret they've been very inconsistent and haphazard with her depictions and...well, karma can be a bitch.

[Primal Slayer]

Idk it's like saying "why wasn't Kryptonite in Man of Steel or this movie if it's important to Superman"

No one will be able to use kryptonite when supes enters public domain or flight.

Of course we'd have to see the court case but i don't think DC would lose as it becomes too close to WW that they have ownership over.

[Gaius]

Would be interesting to see also how it effects the "clay vs. daddy zeus" origin. The clay origin would enter the public domain in the following year because it showed up in WW #1 (1942). Might mean DC could completely double down on their version of Diana is Zeus' bastard or may even go back to clay as to argue that's an integral aspect of their WW IP.

[Vordan]

She wont be able to fly so.....have fun with that.

Thing about the Trinity going PD is that it’s the Golden Age versions - so if you want to use Superman you have to use the extremely weak version who was aggressive and didn’t mind hurting people. Batman is shooting people with guns. And WW is a mix of Greco-Roman mythology and BDSM. You have to be very careful because if you use a Diana that doesn’t stick strictly to what’s PD, WB would definitely sue.

[Psy-lock]

Thing about the Trinity going PD is that it’s the Golden Age versions - so if you want to use Superman you have to use the extremely weak version who was aggressive and didn’t mind hurting people. Batman is shooting people with guns. And WW is a mix of Greco-Roman mythology and BDSM. You have to be very careful because if you use a Diana that doesn’t stick strictly to what’s PD, WB would definitely sue.

Judging by all the stuff the Sherlock Holmes adaptations got away with, it definitely won't be as restrictive as this.

[thwhtGuardian]

Judging by all the stuff the Sherlock Holmes adaptations got away with, it definitely won't be as restrictive as this.

Much more of Holmes was public domain, and they were very, very litigious about anything they could be concerning what wasn't in the public domain. They weren't always successful but it was hardly nonrestrictive.

[Fuzzy Mittens]

I confess im kinda baffled by this misconception about how the public domain works.
Once something becomes public domain you are NOT limited to just what is in the given text.

The only limits are
1. You cannot use concepts which DCs Wonder Woman still claims ownership for. (For example referring to the magic lasso as the golden perfect, or using the Kapatelis family.)

2. Your imagination~

You want the Amazons to have been around since the age of the dinosaurs and Diana having been an active superhero since the age of ancient Greece? You can do that!

You want Wonder Woman to have left the island in the year 2024 and become a time traveler who alters history, with the affects she has on the timeline being actively explored? You can do that!

You want to do Wonder Woman but have her go on an epic adventure involving Egyptian mythology?
You want to do a spy thriller where Wonder Woman has no powers but is just a highly trained Amazon trying to avert the apocalypse?
You want to do a Wonder Woman story but set in the year 3000?
You can do all of those things! The canon is your oyster!

And thats not even taking a glance at other things in the public domain!
By the time Wonder Woman enters into the public domain several other DC heroes are available. You could make the likes of Superman and Batman supporting characters in a Wonder Woman story who are awed by how amazing and better than them she is. You could make them Gargareans. You could make them supervillains who Diana must battle.

DC can only claim ownership on designs and depictions of gods which they can claim as unique, not any based on actual mythology or history. So straight out of the gate you can play with Eris, Phobos, Deimos, and others and feel free to go wild to do whatever you want.

You can give Wonder Woman NEW powers!
Such as shooting tiny Wonder Womans out of her fingers. (DC can't claim ownership of that one)
Or controlling the weather like some fearsome storm.
You could have her be blessed by a collection of Shinto gods and given a collection of new abilities.
The only things you would not be able to use is elements that DC could claim as definitive unique elements to Wonder Woman herself. (Such as having the power of flight be specifically a blessing from the god Hermes instead of something she can just do herself)

And the characters! You have the freedom to make new characters! Give Diana a new supporting cast. New villains. New threats and new stories.

The power goes into the hands of the people!

[Psy-lock]

If PD actually provides WW with some good content, DC would have to step up their game with their version. Imagine creators like Phil Jimenez making their own definitive WW comic or ND Stevenson making an animated series. Good competition usually leads to better quality all around.

You want the Amazons to have been around since the age of the dinosaurs and Diana having been an active superhero since the age of ancient Greece? You can do that!

You want Wonder Woman to have left the island in the year 2024 and become a time traveler who alters history, with the affects she has on the timeline being actively explored? You can do that!

You want to do Wonder Woman but have her go on an epic adventure involving Egyptian mythology?
You want to do a spy thriller where Wonder Woman has no powers but is just a highly trained Amazon trying to avert the apocalypse?
You want to do a Wonder Woman story but set in the year 3000?
You can do all of those things! The canon is your oyster!

And thats not even taking a glance at other things in the public domain!
By the time Wonder Woman enters into the public domain several other DC heroes are available. You could make the likes of Superman and Batman supporting characters in a Wonder Woman story who are awed by how amazing and better than them she is. You could make them Gargareans. You could make them supervillains who Diana must battle.

DC can only claim ownership on designs and depictions of gods which they can claim as unique, not any based on actual mythology or history. So straight out of the gate you can play with Eris, Phobos, Deimos, and others and feel free to go wild to do whatever you want.

You can give Wonder Woman NEW powers!
Such as shooting tiny Wonder Womans out of her fingers. (DC can't claim ownership of that one)
Or controlling the weather like some fearsome storm.
You could have her be blessed by a collection of Shinto gods and given a collection of new abilities.
The only things you would not be able to use is elements that DC could claim as definitive unique elements to Wonder Woman herself. (Such as having the power of flight be specifically a blessing from the god Hermes instead of something she can just do herself)

And the characters! You have the freedom to make new characters! Give Diana a new supporting cast. New villains. New threats and new stories.

The power goes into the hands of the people!

I want to see all of this!

[Primal Slayer]

Maybe we'll finally get a WW animated series

[Triniking1234]

Wonder Woman in public domain would mean the quality of her stories would vary a lot due to how many creatives will have access to her. I'd expect a lot of crap since most people today can barely write a damn sentence. Also expect AI generated crap too.

[Psy-lock]

Maybe we'll finally get a WW animated series

I expect DC will make one before she enters PD. It would be pretty embarrassing for them if someone else does it first.

[Primal Slayer]

I expect DC will make one before she enters PD. It would be pretty embarrassing for them if someone else does it first.

i dont know...they have 12 years and it takes about 2 of those to make an animated show so....they're already down to 10.

[Psy-lock]

i dont know...they have 12 years and it takes about 2 of those to make an animated show so....they're already down to 10.

By "before" I mean literally right before 2036. So if anyone else gets the idea to make a WW series they'd have to compete with an ongoing one from DC.

[Gaius]

I expect DC will make one before she enters PD. It would be pretty embarrassing for them if someone else does it first.

I mean the racoon and Ant-Man got movies before Wonder Woman, so that's a trademark DC special right there.

[Laser_Man]

I am going to be blunt here and say it:

For Wonder Woman, a lot of the stuff which will come out from the public domain would be high quality porn and other NSFW stuff.