What would you want from an “Ultimate Superman”?

[Vordan]

I think with Superman, you want to showcase a variety of villains, and there probably should be a build-up in threat level. It doesn't need to be continuously increasing, but generally increasing.

EDIT: To clarify, my expectation for Ultimate is that there's an end in mind, like five or so years.

My hot take is that while Ultimatum was poorly executed, that kind of major shakeup is actually ideal for a universe you want to keep as an alternative offering to the mainline. Even Hickman has an event like that primed with the City opening up and the Maker returning in two years.

[Last Son of Krypton]

I would put together ideas from aborted Superman pitches like Superman 2000 and bring back Superman to his social crusader roots.

Speaking of aborted ideas and missed opportunities, I'd like Greg Pak and Aaron Kuder as co-writers. Maybe Jorge Jimenez as artist.

To differentiate it from current Superman, just ban the trunks and the 90s nostalgia and they'll be different enough.

[DochaDocha]

For a significantly-different-but-reasonably-similar take on Supes, I'd also accept Hernan Guerra. Yeah, I know, I simp for that guy...

[Vordan]

For a significantly-different-but-reasonably-similar take on Supes, I'd also accept Hernan Guerra. Yeah, I know, I simp for that guy...

He was very cool but you could take aspects of his life and use them for a take on Clark. The Kents being migrant workers for example.

[manwhohaseverything]

That's what I was referring to, yeah. The 'begrudging' aspect of it is that Luffy believes in the same sort of things as Blackbeard, but we've seen on more than one occasion that Luffy seems to hesitate whenever Blackbeard speaks like that. It's like Luffy senses that while they share some common views, there's a drastic difference in perspective and what those views ultimately mean. And I definitely think that's something that could work really well for Clark and Lex.

It wasn't a hesitation more of a poker face.Luffy was trying get a read on the guy.Zorro had the same blank face during blackbeard's speech.yeah! I agree,luffy got a reading on blackbeard.Animal instinct and all that.I kinda want lex to be introduced with his flyinh fortress.

[DABellWrites]

Reading a lot of Champion of the Oppressed here, but I highly doubt DC would veer that far off from Superman to have Clark actually be the Champion of the Oppressed, simply because of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way".

Also. Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple. Read a few comments saying Lana Lang, interesting, but you'll need a really creative writer to not make her a Lois Lane clone or pull everything from Smallville. I've been thinking about what Lana brings to the table beyond just being his childhood crush or Lois Lane's rival in love. But, if Scott Snyder is doing this, he'll probably write that Batman/Wonder Woman story he's quietly pushing.

But yeah, Superman and Wonder Woman, largely unexplored territory and ripped for interesting stories.

[manwhohaseverything]

I am not really interested in superwonder or lana.I am pro lyla lerrol or lori lemaris..i would probably merge lisa and lori.Both girlfriend and boyfriend hiding from each other their true self.

[bat39]

Reading a lot of Champion of the Oppressed here, but I highly doubt DC would veer that far off from Superman to have Clark actually be the Champion of the Oppressed, simply because of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way".

Also. Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple. Read a few comments saying Lana Lang, interesting, but you'll need a really creative writer to not make her a Lois Lane clone or pull everything from Smallville. I've been thinking about what Lana brings to the table beyond just being his childhood crush or Lois Lane's rival in love. But, if Scott Snyder is doing this, he'll probably write that Batman/Wonder Woman story he's quietly pushing.

But yeah, Superman and Wonder Woman, largely unexplored territory and ripped for interesting stories.

I don't think the "Champion of the Oppressed" portrayal a lot of people have in mind is that removed from the "American Way".

I'm not talking about turning Superman into some kind of Marxist crusader out to subvert and destroy American society. I'm talking about Superman as a vigilante violently taking on those who actively harm others through their actions.

Is Superman beating up a wife-beater 'un-American'? Or threatening corrupt Senators? Yes those actions may technically be 'illegal', but so it 90% of what Batman does, and no one accused him of being a socialist

[Vordan]

Pretty much the only thing everyone agrees on right now is that the status quo is untenable and the elite have overreached with regards to throwing their money and influence around. It’s just a matter of who is in the elite when it comes to left vs. right. Superman beating up rich folk might actually get bipartisan support again

[DABellWrites]

I don't think the "Champion of the Oppressed" portrayal a lot of people have in mind is that removed from the "American Way".

I'm not talking about turning Superman into some kind of Marxist crusader out to subvert and destroy American society. I'm talking about Superman as a vigilante violently taking on those who actively harm others through their actions.

Is Superman beating up a wife-beater 'un-American'? Or threatening corrupt Senators? Yes those actions may technically be 'illegal', but so it 90% of what Batman does, and no one accused him of being a socialist

And I think that's the problem. You can't have Superman spouting Truth, Justice, and the American Way, while trying to have stand against the corruption that's seeped into America. Because Truth, Justice, and the American stands for America, not wanting to tear down the system. Superman went through extreme lengths to enact change. I can't imagine people would be happy with Clark doing that.

[Ascended]

What would I want? Hmm. Something that's actually *different.* Something that doesn't feel like a DC Superman story. I wouldn't even want something that could easily fit inside the label 'superhero.' Innovate. Push boundaries. Isn't that what made Superman a global icon in the first place? We can definitely do a 'back to basics but modernized' kind of Bendis-Spidey thing, and it could be super fun if handled even halfway well, but....don't we basically have a bunch of those out there already? From Smashes the Klan to My Adventures With Superman, we're not hurting for 'classic Supes but with today's writing sensibilities and some tweaks here and there' stories. And I'm not hating on those stories or saying they're identical, but they're not cutting new paths, they're just trimming the ones already here.

So what I'd want is something that breaks into a completely different, unexpected kind story. Something that comes from a warm, recognizable place but reaches beyond that, in the same way Clark himself has roots in the pulps but didn't stop there. Naturally there's no point to doing it if it doesn't look and feel like Superman, but that doesn't mean our only options are whether he's young/single, who he could date that isn't Lois, or the specifics on his powers.

And I think, as far as the Bendis/Spidey style Ultimate thing goes, didn't Morrison basically do that with Action? I feel like, as far as a 'reasonable' expectation goes, it doesn't get much better than that kind of 'modernized return to the real beginning' approach. If DC gave me a new Golden Age style Superman I'd celebrate. That's the guy I think the world needs and I think it's the approach that would reinvigorate the franchise. But I don't think DC is quite ballsy enough to do more than dip a toe in the waters now and then. I don't think they'd stray too far from ground they know is safe. Which is fine, a quality Superman story is always welcome. But what I *want* out of an Ultimate Superman? It isn't a superhero. It's something...deeper. And I don't think DC has the tools to make it.

[the illustrious mr. kenway]

https://comicsalliance.com/justice-l...gn-aaron-diaz/

My favorite fan reboot was in this article. I don't mind if it gets explored officially.

[DochaDocha]

And I think that's the problem. You can't have Superman spouting Truth, Justice, and the American Way, while trying to have stand against the corruption that's seeped into America. Because Truth, Justice, and the American stands for America, not wanting to tear down the system. Superman went through extreme lengths to enact change. I can't imagine people would be happy with Clark doing that.

You can tweak your message to be more specific about what aspects of the system you want torn down. For instance, I think you can get 99% of people to agree Bernie Madoff was a terrible person. That kind of swindling is something people universally look down on. But what a union buster Congressman? Maybe 60% of the audience would find that guy appalling, bad for the working class, etc., but then there are folks who interpret a story of Superman taking down that politician as too preachy at best and morally misguided at worst.

Of course, the problem of picking stories that we all agree on is that the stories probably are too bland. It's not that different from stopping an armed bank robber.

[the illustrious mr. kenway]

I'd probably change his powerset to being a psychic and a cyberpunk setting instead of modern day.

[Filbert]

http://theages.superman.nu/History/2000/
This would be my starting point. I'd keep the classic costume, though.