X-Men #30 - Preview

[Devaishwarya]

Is Ev about to pull a Colossus X-Men 390?

[charliehustle415]

It started in Hickman's Powers of X #1 so I can see why the writers are circling back with the idea at the end of the era.

Astrology was in HOX/POX? I have reread it, I don't remember that at all

[Devaishwarya]

Tarot Card reading ie Cartomancy and Astrology are two very different things.
And it's not as though the writers are actually writing according to the deeper meanings of the cards (I'd be very surprised and impressed if they did)...they were merely cute/fun imagery used just to make it seem all the more esoteric.

[PhoenixStudies]

Jean's imagery on the Tarot Card is similar to Rachel's imagery appearing to the Dead X-Men. Burning tree (allusion to burning bush).

[HomoSuperior]

This era and all of this tarot card crap is so cringe blame Tini Howard for this trend in X-Comics

Yeah, had same reaction. Krakoan era broke the fourth wall way too many times; leaking X-Office culture into the books where characters and stories belong. I don’t spend $5.99 to read a podcast about the writers niche interests.

[Nicoclaws]

Yeah, had same reaction. Krakoan era broke the fourth wall way too many times; leaking X-Office culture into the books where characters and stories belong. I don’t spend $5.99 to read a podcast about the writers niche interests.

So you didn't love to read about Claremont's many, many fetishes for 15 years ?

[charliehustle415]

Yeah, had same reaction. Krakoan era broke the fourth wall way too many times; leaking X-Office culture into the books where characters and stories belong. I don’t spend $5.99 to read a podcast about the writers niche interests.

Yeah exactly, I don't need to know your Twitter interests.

So you didn't love to read about Claremont's many, many fetishes for 15 years ?

LMAO.... Noo.. I would never.... How dare you...

[davetvs]

So you didn't love to read about Claremont's many, many fetishes for 15 years ?

Like, hello?

[Master of Sound]

Why they forget talon is old and should have wrinkles. Even in the vault scene

No she heals. So also her skin.

[Devaishwarya]

So you didn't love to read about Claremont's many, many fetishes for 15 years ?

LOL...Touche. Don't hurt them so, Nico.

[ARkadelphia]

Sauron, bitches. Sauron.

[Saithor]

Just don’t have Sauron and a female villainess hypnotize each other and threaten to have sex on-panel again and I’ll be good with Duggan using him again.

[GoingGreen]

The pixelation is getting worse and worse

[Ulysian_Thracs]

So you didn't love to read about Claremont's many, many fetishes for 15 years ?

Yeah, had same reaction. Krakoan era broke the fourth wall way too many times; leaking X-Office culture into the books where characters and stories belong. I don’t spend $5. 99 to read a podcast about the writers niche interests.

The pixelation is getting worse and worse

The big difference is that Claremonts fetishes were shared by the broader comic book market. That's why so many people bought comics back then, and so few are buying them now. Simple business sense is know your audience and give them what they want, not what you think they should want. (Which is unsurprisingly always what YOU want.)

I see people trying to argue that it's only a coincidence that half or (much) more of Western comics sales dried up when they brought in agenda driven editors and writers who are not writing to the broader market, but inserting their own stand-ins and fetishes to a niche market. (Or, more correctly, they drove off the majority of readers and have turned the Big 2 publishers [and Western comics in general] into a niche market itself. Now, they slap themselves on the back and call it a success when half of the remaining 25% or so of readers like a book, which is canceled or 'rebooted' a month later for low sales.)

Don't get me wrong. Diversity and representation are great. I am glad we moved away from exclusively straight white males because it is boring when everything is the same. But it's swung too far in the other direction where they've purged not just the number, but good depictions of characters who are representative of the majority of the audience, but don't fit the writers' idea of what heroes should look like.

Now, even the most popular original heroes in their own books get beaten, abused, and dominated by other heroes the writers push on us.

-How many tens of dozens of Wolverine fans use that name to describe any of the demographically appropriate carbon copies, rather than Logan himself, despite over a decade of beating that dead gender swapped Liu self-insert horse?
-Do the majority of Iron Man fans want to see him expressly depicted as Mr. Emma Frost in what is really her solo book? He's saving her ass and she's in charge like some crappy Who's the Boss fan fiction?
-Thor standing no chance against an angry black woman?
-Bishop's Affirmative Action War College traveling to a what was essentially a minstrel show AU where there are literally no white people? (Except the literal Nazi Fenris twins, of course. That is the proper depiction of white people to that particular writer, I guess.)
-Look at the depiction of hetero sexual couples in Marvel today. They almost always fall into one of two tropes: girl boss and man child/male wife (Tony and Emma, Cyke and anyone), or strong black man tames strong white woman (synch/Laura, carol/Rhode, Brother Voodoo/Wanda, Luke Cage/Jessica Jones). Now that's not to say those tropes can't be done well and tell interesting stories. I'm a big Defenders fan, and was back when seeing that in print was a quite a bit more risqué than today. But it is not representative to the broader audience where only 15% or so of American relationships are interracial, and only about 6% are black-white. (Which you wouldn't know from Western media, where they are 75% of depicted relationships.)
-Unsurprisingly, the current writers are much better depicting LGBT relationships, given that the majority of writers are LGBT themselves. But that in itself is a problem because the broader market has little interest in anything lgbt but fetishized big boobed lesbians. (Go ahead and make Brie Larson and Tessa Thompson a couple--in a sex scene. That will sell!) But there is a relatively small market for Alan Scott lgbt activist lantern, Super Jon and his boyfriend, Betsy and Rachel, jean-cyke-logan throuple. Iceman soft core. Jug and Tom Cassidy being weird. Pretty much the entire New X-Men book. But the writers just can't help themselves. They have to make every single character a stand-in for their own queer experience, either explicitly or coding, regardless of whether it sells.

Beyond me thinking this is crappy content, which is subjective, who are these writers writing to, beside themselves? What is the audience for these characters and books? Does anyone really think it is more than 25% of the broader market of comic readers? (Or care, besides Disney stockholders like me who are pissed about the price and dividend?)

What is the point of pushing these fetishes so often and hard? It's not fan service. At least Claremont sold books! I don't know many people who are going to buy X-Books because a naked Synch and Laura are fronting the X-Men, particularly when the writers didn't even bother to show their relationship develop on panel, which might have built a fan base organically.

[Triniking1234]

Big ups. Claremont was into the same **** I was into so of course I read his books.