X-Men 30: Spoiler and Review.

[Thievery]

So was bringing back Jott in the first place.

The most courageous thing they could have done was Jean/Logan and Emma/Cyclops, but muh nostalgia won out and so they had to pretend to be doing something bold.

I don't like Scott/Jean, and I loved Emma/Cyclops and I wish that was still going. But Emma/Cyclops started as a couple around the year 2004 if I remember correctly. So at this point Scott/Emma is not really a new idea either.

[Nicoclaws]

LMAO, okay.

If I don't agree then I'm a bigot, that's a first for me on these boards.

Complaining about "sexualizing" children media while talking about non-het-conforming relationships is generally a rethoric spilled by bigots, yes. And if you don't care about all (straight mono included) relationships in media, more power to you. You must have hated this issue and X-men in general.

[ZephyrSurf]

My big issue with the whole "poly" and "anyone in a relatonship with anyone else" thing is it felt more like a "I don't want to deal with romance so I'll vaguely gesture at it so fans can run wild on their own"

There's only a couple really focused on and delved into Romances in Krakoa era and with the exception of stuff dealing in titles like X-factor and the betsy saga it was overwhelmingly Heterosexual.

Jean and Scott
Kurt and Silver Sable
Havok and Maddie
Emma and Iron-Man
Psylocke and Greycrow
Doug and the big lady whose name I forgot
Quintin and Cuckoo
Cable and other Cuckoo
Synch and Talon
Aurora and Daken
Rogue and Gambit (Yes they count)

In contrast you got

Betsy and Rachel
Bobby and his disaster of a romantic life
Destiny and Mystique
whatever Somnus' deal is

[Nicoclaws]

My big issue with the whole "poly" and "anyone in a relatonship with anyone else" thing is it felt more like a "I don't want to deal with romance so I'll vaguely gesture at it so fans can run wild on their own"

There's only a couple really focused on and delved into Romances in Krakoa era and with the exception of stuff dealing in titles like X-factor and the betsy saga it was overwhelmingly Heterosexual.

Jean and Scott
Kurt and Silver Sable
Havok and Maddie
Emma and Iron-Man
Psylocke and Greycrow
Doug and the big lady whose name I forgot
Quintin and Cuckoo
Cable and other Cuckoo
Synch and Talon
Aurora and Daken
Rogue and Gambit (Yes they count)

In contrast you got

Betsy and Rachel
Bobby and his disaster of a romantic life
Destiny and Mystique
whatever Somnus' deal is

Legion and Blindfold
Storm and Craig of Nasa
Wolverine and that surfer chick I think ?
Colossus and Domino
Kurt and SEVERAL women, including Loss, Szen and Stacy

Mercury and Loa
White Sword and Ironfire
Lodos and Kobak
(and Xfactor/Excalibur : )
Northstar and Kyle
Prodigy and Speed
Rictor and Shatterstar
Buddy and Feint
Weren't No-Girl and Escapade a couple ? I never finished that series.

[ZephyrSurf]

Legion and Blindfold
Storm and Craig of Nasa
Wolverine and that surfer chick I think ?
Colossus and Domino
Kurt and SEVERAL women, including Loss, Szen and Stacy

Mercury and Loa
White Sword and Ironfire
Lodos and Kobak
(and Xfactor/Excalibur : )
Northstar and Kyle
Prodigy and Speed
Rictor and Shatterstar
Buddy and Feint
Weren't No-Girl and Escapade a couple ? I never finished that series.

I wasn't talking about relationships that exist but that actually have focus. Can you really say Northstar and Kyle or Prodigy and Speed had the same level of real estate in X-factor as Aurora and Daken. Which is also why I didn't include CannonBall and Smasher or Leigon and Blindfold cause while they're relationships, they take notable backseat to everything else

I will give you Feint and Buddy, I definitely forgot that duo and they definitely count

[Nicoclaws]

I wasn't talking about relationships that exist but that actually have focus. Can you really say Northstar and Kyle or Prodigy and Speed had the same level of real estate in X-factor as Aurora and Daken. Which is also why I didn't include CannonBall and Smasher or Leigon and Blindfold cause while they're relationships, they take notable backseat to everything else

I will give you Feint and Buddy, I definitely forgot that duo and they definitely count

I would argue that both gay relationships were important, but yeah less so than the relationship between main characters.
But I agree with you there.

[Triniking1234]

How do you keep track of all these relationships? I forgot Loss existed until Nico brought it up.
Who the heck is Buddy and Feint? Is that from children of the atom?

[charliehustle415]

Complaining about "sexualizing" children media while talking about non-het-conforming relationships is generally a rethoric spilled by bigots, yes. And if you don't care about all (straight mono included) relationships in media, more power to you. You must have hated this issue and X-men in general.

ah so again, adults who sexualize fictional children is a.o.k. in your book. cool, cool, cool.

anyways this is so off topic, I'm done with this.

[Nicoclaws]

ah so again, adults who sexualize fictional children is a.o.k. in your book. cool, cool, cool.

anyways this is so off topic, I'm done with this.

Thinking someone is gay is not sexualizing. Please be done with this.

[Nicoclaws]

How do you keep track of all these relationships? I forgot Loss existed until Nico brought it up.
Who the heck is Buddy and Feint? Is that from children of the atom?

Yeah. Feint was called Gimmick (I don't remember Buddy's hero name XD) at the time but she took the name Feint in Dark X-men.

I'm one of the few who love Spurrier enough to remember WoX and LoX even though they were pretty mediocre.

[Exodus]

Thinking someone is gay is not sexualizing. Please be done with this.

there is no debate here. Arguments won’t convince this level of ignorance…

[Braxxer]

My big issue with the whole "poly" and "anyone in a relatonship with anyone else" thing is it felt more like a "I don't want to deal with romance so I'll vaguely gesture at it so fans can run wild on their own

It’s basically a reason why they came up with that. Hickman didn’t want any relationships dramas and that’s why he wanted writers to give him an ultimate list of official couples but writers couldn’t t agree with each other so he said everyone ****s everyone

[lefthanded]

Immature is taking a children's property and adding overt sexuality to it and then writing reams worth of fan-fiction where Logan, Scott, and Jean are in a sexual relationship.

Let's be real here.

These are comic books meant for tweens and teens.

This is why the engine for Marvel: The MCU is overtly asexual.

It's meant for kids.

I agree with your sentiment that fanservice can be taken too far, and fan fiction can become excessive itself. But I disagree with your points on why it is a problem.

There's always been Sexuality with this "Children's Property."

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...obsAndButtPose

Having a female comic character purposefully be posed to show off her front side and backside, has been part and parcel of comics for decades now. Psylocke is even the character this page is using as an example.

While you are correct that this could still be targeted/marketing towards teenage boys, and thus qualify as 'Children's Property', it is disingenuous to suggest that "Poly relationships are a level of overt sexuality that has not been a part of comics".

I do agree that MCU is overtly asexual, but that is a business choice, and not necessarily one that is specific to comics/MCU. Blockbuster movies in general have been asexual; it is a trend and not one specific to 'children's properties.' The original Pirates of the Carribbean trilogy is kind of the last blockbuster type movie I can remember where they were unafraid of sexuality. Compare that to Jungle Cruise of a few years ago, where all hints of sexuality were removed aside.

[Nicoclaws]

It’s basically a reason why they came up with that. Hickman didn’t want any relationships dramas and that’s why he wanted writers to give him an ultimate list of official couples but writers couldn’t t agree with each other so he said everyone ****s everyone

As if that would prevent relationship drama XD

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

there is no debate here. Arguments won’t convince this level of ignorance…

I don't understand how conservative X-men fans are a thing lol

spoilers:

The avi checks out lmao

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As if that would prevent relationship drama XD

Who doesn't want relationship drama in X-Men comics anyway?

Keep the basic impersonal superheroics on the Avengers side. We like drama over here lmao