In Crisis Core, Sephiroth's fans refer to Supernova as being his limit break. So at a minimum, Sephiroth canonically has a move named Supernova.
The move also appears in the fighting game spin off Dissidia, which I THINK is canon to the other FF games
The animation here could lend credence to the pocket dimension idea, though it's also obviously not as high scale as the version Safer Sephiroth.
I've also seen claims that the final battle of FF7 takes place in a "Dream Like Reality" and that's why it looks like Sephiroth can look like he nukes the planet several times
I suppose my issue is, if Sephiroth could do this on a whim, why did he need the Black Materia needed to summon Meteor in order to wound the planet sufficiently enough to drain the Lifestream?
Did he just really, really, really need a convoluted device to hold his strength back the whole time while he was sleeping in the North Crater? Why didn't he just go to the parallel dimension and drain the planet there?
Or, considering the plotline and events of the game, shall we apply Occam's Razor to Supernova and conclude it was just a cinematic flourish that looks cool and has no bearing on his actual presentation or feats?
...boy are we far afield from the original question of the thread. Tifa probably wins, but not due to these bizarre conjectures.
For Rumbles purposes, it kind of boils down to two possibilities:
1. It's shenanigans;
2. It's real.
If it's #1, it's not important.
If it's #2, then Cloud and Co. eating an exploding star in the face is so far above everything else that can actually damage/threaten them in the game that I'd think this would be a classic SMvsFL outlier and be tossed out.
Sooooo...my personal feeling that whether it's real or not is completely unimportant for this Rumble. For the purpose of discussing Sephiroth's capacity to cause a Supernova or whatever, sure; but for the purpose of working out what Tifa's durability could be? Not really.
Why are we here?
"Superboy Prime (the yelling guy if he needs clarification)..." - Postmania
"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
"Why throw punches when you can be making everyone around you sterile mutant corpses?" - Pendaran, regarding Dr. Fate
Or maybe Loz punched her so hard, it broke the resolutely adamantine pews and floorboards of the old Midgard church.
Why are we here?
"Superboy Prime (the yelling guy if he needs clarification)..." - Postmania
"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
"Why throw punches when you can be making everyone around you sterile mutant corpses?" - Pendaran, regarding Dr. Fate
Okay, here you go:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vs...und_Part_1.png
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vs...und_Part_2.png
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vs...und_Part_3.png
Japanese translations: "Energy erupts from the hollow, opening a portal to the gap between dimensions."
"They reach the gap between dimensions, which emits a faint light."
"The first knight of the round table appears from gap between dimensions."
"Excalibur's shockwave spreads and cracks the space."
"The space is broken into small pieces and the dimensional gap disappears."
Read it. It's all there. The space itself is actually destroyed and the energy travels between dimensions.
Anyone that can command the Knights of the Round Table summon is certifiably hitting multi-solar system or even galaxy levels of destructive power dude.
...this is describing the visual transition to the summon animation. It looks cool yet has no bearing on the actual events of the story.
Please, do Supernova next. Or rather, don't.
I find your certifications baseless. Even in your posted translation, neither solar systems nor galaxies are mentioned. Are we supposed to conclude just because there's a backdrop of stars that it must be highballed at the largest possibly stellar body we can possibly concieve of, and not that the PS1 has limited rendering capabilities so they used a skybox with a field of stars and nebulae as a neat, abstract visual effect?Anyone that can command the Knights of the Round Table summon is certifiably hitting multi-solar system or even galaxy levels of destructive power dude.
I'm out. As stated before, Tifa wins for entirely other reasons, and please read the rules.
Last edited by grampagen; 02-19-2024 at 03:30 PM.
I'd believe "Flying through space". They did something similar with Bahamut ZERO. But it doesn't even show them blowing up any Celestial bodies!! Why would we assume Knights of the Round is even a Solar System buster, when they, you know, don't actually bust a Solar System? Much less a GALAXY.
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Read here: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vs..._Dimension.png
The Crisis Core FF7 Guide even states outright that Sephiroth's supernova attack destroys planets with the power of an expanding sun.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vs...d_Galaxies.gif
Also you see in this gif? A few galaxies seem to be laying around there...
i'm not cool with saying the knights of the round can bust planets and/or galaxies from just descriptive text.
if they were truly that strong, then meteor wouldn't be a threat to the team at all. hell, as someone mention, sephy wouldn't need meteor to wound the planet as he would be strong enough to do so himself.
I can't. That image is WAY too tiny.
Was I talking about SuperNova? We were talking about Knights of the Round.
But do they get blown up? Or are they just floating in the background to show off "Space"?
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