Mighty Thor, Unworthy Thor, Karnak, Punisher, Daredevil
Superman, Wonder Woman, Doom Patrol, The Hellblazer, Midnighter and Apollo
Kill or Be Killed, Providence, Black Monday Murders
Continuity is a bit overrated.
Last edited by AlexanderLuthor; 05-15-2014 at 03:22 PM.
Oh, I don't know, maybe being the co-publisher of the entire line probably has something to do with it. He also supervises the artists on every book. Not to mention promotional appearances and other corporate functions because he is still the biggest name in comics. Superman Unchained is a completely self contained story that doesn't affect anything else so really the delays do nothing. So why does he still sign up to do things? Probably because he still enjoys drawing and every issue that does come out is a Top 5 selling book.
As for Pandora, she has stated explicitly she doesn't know, but I bet if you're patient (the line started a whole 3 years ago) you'll get some explanation in the coming Earth-1 and 2 War. Or maybe you won't and you can come back here and cry about it
Well, sales disagree with you. DC has always had some books that were good and some that were bad, that's not a reboot thing. I don't think there is anyone inside or outside of DC that would say that the reboot was handled flawlessly, we all know that, but I would argue there was no way to do it flawlessly - and no, I'm sure whatever your idea was isn't any better and would have had just as many problems. Although your solution of hey, let's just make every book great is appealing.
Yes, that's how it works. They don't erase the previous continuity when they do a re-numbering.
Mighty Thor, Unworthy Thor, Karnak, Punisher, Daredevil
Superman, Wonder Woman, Doom Patrol, The Hellblazer, Midnighter and Apollo
Kill or Be Killed, Providence, Black Monday Murders
I read all of Marvel's books, as well. When you say they don't erase the previous continuity with a re-numbering that's pretty generous. Does Ben walk up to Johnny and say "Hey, I'm Ben Grimm nice to meet ya?" No, but they are "starting over". And maybe we are asking the wrong question because my own feeling is that Marvel is long overdue for some housecleaning. In X-Men we are at the point where the original X-Men are in the present, picking up sides with the current X-Men, and fighting the future evil X-Men - that screams it's time to clean up some stuff. There is now a past Jean Grey in the same time with the past and current Cyclops and fighting against the future Charles Xavier all in the present
Last edited by AlexanderLuthor; 05-15-2014 at 03:41 PM.
Pop quiz time:
Who are the founding members of the Avengers?
Who's membership never really happened?
X-Men?
Who are the founding members of the Justice League?
Who's membership never really happened?
Teen Titans?
Founding Avengers: Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Wasp and Hulk
Now Avengers: Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and a cast of hundreds
Never Happened: I would have to check on Wasp. Pretty sure Hank Pym is considered an Avenger
Founding JL: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter
JL New 52 Founders: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash and Green Lantern
Never Happened: Really no one, although MM did join JLA instead
And you do realize that because of the 5 year time jump most of the JLA stories from the Silver Age through Morrison and Waid's runs are considered to have happened...many have been referenced.
What's your point?
Last edited by AlexanderLuthor; 05-15-2014 at 03:54 PM.
1. Stormwatch- A title with a real chance to shake the status quo. Bringing that group into the DCU, with Martian Manhunter as a member, was clearly set up as a rival to the Justice League. It even went so far as to give us a brief scene of Apollo fighting Superman. Then that promise was all washed away. Manhunter left the team. Stormwatch was only to deal with external alien threats. They were removed from the rest of the DCU and by the time of Forever Evil, they were forgotten. The creative team changes didn't help and the reboot of the reboot with Starlin was a desperation move. All in all, a great idea that came to nothing.
2. Ron Marz removed from Voodoo. This was the beginning of the end for me and the Nu52. I bought the title from the reboot because of Marz. He was removed after four issues even after he agreed to make changes in the book demanded by editorial. This was the first of many creative/editorial clashes which seriously blunted any momentum of the reboot.
3. Wally West- I don't even know where to begin with that travesty.
"Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing."-
Benjamin Franklin
My list:
1) The Wildstorm characters-- Honestly, much of these characters were gutted by having them integrated with the DC universe. They should have been kept in their own universe or introduce them slowly in high profile books such as JL. I mean why care about Midnighter and Apollo when you have Batman and Superman? In their own universe the Wildstorm characters were top dogs. In the DC universe, they are barely B listers at best.
2) The Young Justice line-- They had a chance to build something like the Young Justice tv show and they didn't run with it. Instead we got boring teen titles that nobody cared about.
As far as I'm concerned the whole ball of wax has been a letdown.
More than anything, the new 52 and the MOS movie show more than ever why the best thing that could ever happen to these great characters would be for WB and DC to go out of business, and for all of these characters to be public domain. They will not and can not treat these characters with any amount of respect. All they have done from COIE on is retcon other people's stories. NOT A SINGLE STORY written by ANY of their characters creators is part of this weeks canon.
The constant reboots just sends a message of desperation and that DC has no confidence in their characters and their stories. More than anything, they lack pride and vision.