Yor Forger vs. Classic Kingpin

[Dark Soul # 7]

The Thorn Princess takes on Kingpin of Crime in three rounds of death matches.

Round 1: HTH fight in the arena.
Round 2: Yor gets her spikes and Kingpin gets his laser cane, and they fight in the arena.
Round 3: They get their weapons and fight in Kingpin's office.

Who wins?

[Sharpandpointies]

1. Yor.
2. Yor.
3. Yor. Though she has more trouble.

Classic Fisk is an absolute brute (and granted, fight 3 gives him access to furniture). But Yor hits far harder than him, is faster than him, is tough enough to weather a few hits from him without any serious loss of capacity, and is a lot more skilled than him.

That means fight number one is her hitting him until he falls down. Maybe he gets a hit in or two, but compared to how many harder hits she's going to get in, it's just not enough. Fight number two, the only way he's winning is getting in a lucky shot with his laser cane, and Yor aim-dodges like a champ. Meanwhile, she'll be using metal spikes to put holes in him, meaning this one just goes her way even faster.

Fight three...sure, he can take care of some of the speed issue by using a large, area-attacking weapon (ie his desk), but that's not going to be enough. Yor still has her spikes, Yor still has her advantages, and Yor can just...I don't know, eat the desk hit and watch it break around her with some amusement, or maybe kick it to pieces as he swings it, or....

Yor is just too much for even Classic Fisk, in my opinion.

Mileage may vary.

[Dark Soul # 7]

So this might be another loss added to old Willy Fisk' recent list of beatings he's gotten around here.

At least it isn't as much of stomp as some of the others.

[Sharpandpointies]

So this might be another loss added to old Willy Fisk' recent list of beatings he's gotten around here.

At least it isn't as much of stomp as some of the others.

Fisk has always been a little similar to Cass on Rumbles, in that people put him in all kinds of stuff, sometimes leading to truly ridiculous stomps.

This one, indeed, was more close than that.

[Jcogginsa]

I've seen so many people bring up Classic Kingpin's ability to fight Spidey in hand to hand that I would have assumed that Yor had a harder time here, but I guess not.

[Sharpandpointies]

Back in the day, Peter Parker wasn't nearly as strong or tough as he would become. Maybe 'class 5' or so.

Fisk, back then, could trade hits with him and not go down, due to his ridiculous durability and strength. He could overwhelm Peter in tests of strength, based not only on his own strength but using his greater skill. He could get punched in the face multiple times by a freaked out Peter and sit up, laughing, after gassing Peter unconscious using his tie pin. He could knock down a building by punching out its supports, because he was having problems connecting with Peter and figured dropping a building on both of them might rectify that issue. In fact, he was so strong that he used to leave his vault door unlocked, knowing he was the only person who could open it (it was that heavy). As it turned out, Matt Murdock managed to open it (almost killing himself to do it), and Peter also managed to pull it open with some effort. Fisk used to open it one-handed.

He wasn't fast enough, so there was some PIS with that. At other times, they made that point in a reasonable way - eg, his fight with Matt Murdock, where Daredevil bounced around him, hitting him at will, but accomplishing nothing more than hurting HIMSELF while trying to hit Fisk's vital areas (to the point where Daredevil was screaming out 'arrgh, my legs' upon kicking him). Fisk then let Matt gas out hitting what should be weak points of the human body, then one-shot him.

Certainly he was quick enough to surprise Peak Humans with his speed, quick enough to stand in the middle of eight attacking 'martial arts masters' armed with weapons and beat them all up/disarm them without ever getting hit.

And for sure he was strong enough to at least be competitive with young Peter, tough enough to eat the hits for a while, and skilled enough to make up for some of the disparities.

Modern Peter would wreck Classic Fisk something fierce.

Against Yor, he's against someone AT LEAST as fast as a CBPH, if not faster. She's more skilled than him, by a ways. She hits hard enough to ping-pong people down an alleyway, or to kick them 100' or so off the side of a ship when she's truly enraged. She can get hit by a car going at a decent clip and finds it mildly bruising.

She's also strong enough to possibly make pressure point strikes work against this guy.

So I'm pretty iffy on Fisk having any kind of chance against her.

[Captain Morgan]

Bac

Modern Peter would wreck Classic Fisk something fierce.

In fact, Modern Peter has wrecked Fisk already. Admittedly, it was probably Fisk past his prime, but I can't really imagine classic Fisk fairing any better because Peter was just blitzing him and was never touched.

[Sharpandpointies]

In fact, Modern Peter has wrecked Fisk already. Admittedly, it was probably Fisk past his prime, but I can't really imagine classic Fisk fairing any better because Peter was just blitzing him and was never touched.

Call for the Captain.

Yeah, I figure Classic Fisk would last slightly longer (by dint of being a better punching bag), but would definitely get folded up by the high-end bullet-timing, throws jeeps 100' or so, blocks trucks thrown by Venom with his body, modern Peter.

[Captain Smith]

Question - is modern movie Peter stronger than comic Peter? Anybody who holds back a subway car and boats together for awhile is pretty strong. Haven't followed the books for awhile.

[Alan2099]

Question - is modern movie Peter stronger than comic Peter? Anybody who holds back a subway car and boats together for awhile is pretty strong. Haven't followed the books for awhile.

Well, if you want to compare subway car feats...

[Captain Morgan]

Question - is modern movie Peter stronger than comic Peter? Anybody who holds back a subway car and boats together for awhile is pretty strong. Haven't followed the books for awhile.

First off, you're mixing two separate movies continuities. Second, the subway car was more of a webbing/durability feat. Third, don't read too much into the boat thing. It was also using webbing, was killing Peter, and was also gradually failing. By comparison, comic book Pete once acted as the foundational pillar for the Daily Bugle. Those sort of peak straining feats are always above the norm.