Gojo and Sukuna vs Marvel and DC Magic Users

[Jcogginsa]

Not true. Simple Domain and Hollow Wicker Basket both prevent it. Megumi's domain was incomplete and never demonstrated the sure hit effect but was still able to contest someone else's.




1. Despite the name, no limit fallacies are a still a no go on rumbles. DC comics operate on a scale of brute force that JJK has no equivalent for, so we really can't say it can handle unlimited power.

2. Billy isn't just a brick anymore. He can teleport, transmute matter, and conjure objects out of thin air. He's closer to a Thor analogue than Superman now, and he should be able to figure out something for Limitless given Gojo can't hurt him.

1.yeah, but to break something with brute force, you have to actually land the hit. The way limitless works, any physical attacks will miss.

2. He'll need some form of sptial manipulation to get past Limitless. And while Gojo can physically hurt him, I don't think Billy has any defense against Unlimited Void

[Sharpandpointies]

On the note of Bubble Shields, it should be noted that by JJK verse rules to context a Domain Expansion's sure hit effect you need a domain that has a sure hit hit effect too. if you're do main doesn't have one, their sure-hit will still work on you.

I'm also not entirely sure if Strange's barrier's are esoteric enough to qualify as a Barrier in JJK parlance, though that shouldn't really matter too much given all his other advantages.

They block all manner of magical and situational effects, not just energy blasts (as an aside, it's amusing to consider that if they didn't, fights between mages wouldn't even bother with Bolts of Bedevilment; they'd be turning each other into frogs and such). That being the case, I would figure it's up to the sure hit effect to prove that it can get through 'anything', and here it clearly doesn't. There is something that can stop it - a 'Barrier'.

How does the Barrier stop a sure hit effect?

[Jcogginsa]

They block all manner of magical and situational effects, not just energy blasts (as an aside, it's amusing to consider that if they didn't, fights between mages wouldn't even bother with Bolts of Bedevilment; they'd be turning each other into frogs and such). That being the case, I would figure it's up to the sure hit effect to prove that it can get through 'anything', and here it clearly doesn't. There is something that can stop it - a 'Barrier'.

How does the Barrier stop a sure hit effect?

1. If Strange's barriers block magical effects in general then yeah they'd probably stop a Domain Expansion attack. That said general forcefields shouldn't do much against them because of the mechanics by which the sure hits work. Within a Domain, a sure hit spawns directly on top of someone without travelling to them.

2. In JJK The conventional method of defending against a domain's sure hit effect is by summoning your own Domain and covering yourself with your own sure-hit effect. There are also more specific counters like Simple Domain as well, which utilize Barriers with specific defensive attributes

3. Barriers in JJK are a class of technique in Jujutsu Kaisen that establish territories using magic. They're most commonly used to conceal areas from mundane notice so the sorcerors can deal with **** without getting in the way. While the term Barrier implies a defensive wall, in Japanese the word used doesn't have that connotation. Domain Expansions work by using Barriers to set off a closed off space and transform it into a copy of the user's mindscape, which is a metaphysical space. The strongest barrier seen in the series is explicitly called a pcoket dimension

TLDR of point 3: Force Fields =/= JJK Barriers

[Sharpandpointies]

Good info.

I guess one way of looking at is is that Strange's shields kind of establish territory of their own. Stuff can't just pop up inside them, because they're set to Everything Stays Out. And Everything Stays In - they work fine as environmental containment for him in space, as an example.

Prevents other mages from teleporting booms inside the shields, or the like. I suppose.

[Captain Smith]

Is the full power Spectre in the game? He tosses planets, holds universes apart, is faster than Superman at Kal's universe destroying speed run. Can take a PC Kryptonian's punch without a blink. Can will away the entire Justices League's powers. Can send his fist around the entire universe to punch you in the back of the head in real time. Become a giant. Now, he has been susceptible to psychic manipulations at times. Took out Fate and Phantom Stranger, 1000 combat mages, etc. Stomped out Atlantis.

So, I don't think these folks match him on physical or magic output.

[Captain Morgan]

Is the full power Spectre in the game? He tosses planets, holds universes apart, is faster than Superman at Kal's universe destroying speed run. Can take a PC Kryptonian's punch without a blink. Can will away the entire Justices League's powers. Can send his fist around the entire universe to punch you in the back of the head in real time. Become a giant. Now, he has been susceptible to psychic manipulations at times. Took out Fate and Phantom Stranger, 1000 combat mages, etc. Stomped out Atlantis.

So, I don't think these folks match him on physical or magic output.

The point of the thread is to find good matches, not pi these folks against every DC and Marvel mage.

[Captain Smith]

The question was who would eventually defeat them - so Spec would, IMHO.

[Beadle]

The question was who would eventually defeat them - so Spec would, IMHO.

Yes, but there are people way lower on the food chain who would also beat them comfortably, so it’s really not worth stating.