The art for Tim Drake Robin was a terrible decision. It wasn't appealing for the audience this book could attract.
However, Tim being Bi in a relationship with Bernard will always be a difficult direction to sell in comics. This book would definitely need to attract new audience (which is pretty difficult in the comics market), since this direction will always alienate a part of Tim fans.
Last edited by Konja7; 03-21-2024 at 09:20 PM.
Well she shouldn't have called people who didn't like her "do not steal OC" character bigots nor do stuff like ignore all of the POC from the original YJ and label three of them as villains as well as ths:
https://twitter.com/orngejuicefan/st...82345034280961
Zero sum? I literally said, "at times". Not all the time, but a few times, he has. That doesn't make me a hater, just acknowledging how events have played out. I'm someone that wants every character to be able to have their own niche, to have their own stories told, without stepping on other characters' toes, but still able to crossover with certain story elements too. That includes Tim. But trying to stuff Tim back into the Robin brand, when its already occupied with its own storyline, because "Tim was written to be Robin" or something like that, is stepping on toes. Western comics are not a growing platform, at least not in viable way for the time being. So doing something like that, is going to hurt the brand and both characters, like it or not.
Dick, Jason, even Steph have all found their own niche after Robin (though Steph lost hers, but its still a beloved run as Batgirl, and she's still well regarded as Spoiler). Damian is the current Robin, and finding his own way. Tim has had his time in the role, but misplaced nostalgia, bad writing, and taking not adding anything thats good to him, has held him back. What worked for him in the 90s, isn't working for him now. The less said about Fitzmartin's run, the better. And being the "every man" has clearly gone out the window with no parents, being made angsty/edgy, and other such traits that are either done to death, or are unpopular to read to begin with.
Right now, the best that can be said of Tim's current run, is that Fitzmartin isn't writing him anymore. That's how far his character has fallen.
I have seen Tim fans want to kick other characters out of their own titles so Tim could have their name, in a vain attempt to "renew" him. But if Tim can't move comics as Robin, one of the most well known hero names there is, no chance in hell does he do it as a lesser known name. It may simply be time to shelve Tim until an actual plan for him comes along for him. Maybe have him as a background character for a while, going back to his everyman roots as a college student or private eye.
I'm fond of the "giving Tim powers" option. Making him a vampire would've been pretty fun. The Vampire take on Batman from God's and Monsters springs to my mind.
I thought making him a sci-fi hero would be another way to go. That covers the Oracle and 2nd Batman options.
Not sold they should even have one.
That reflects on DC's inabilities than the idea itself. I'm not committed to believing he needs to be a vampire. The bigger issue is Tim (and his gen) need to move forward.
I'm fine with him retiring or transitioning to a non-superhero job like consultants for the DEO etc.
Tim being Robin outside of a reboot or adaptation just feel like a regression. I'm hoping Gunn's DCEU figures out his next phase but it's easier to skip him.
Last edited by the illustrious mr. kenway; 03-24-2024 at 04:01 AM.
Here’s an article where we see Tim take up the Gray Ghost identity…
https://screenrant.com/dc-fan-art-ro...ke-gray-ghost/
The art is attractive.
Possible Problem: If Gray Ghost was Bruce Wayne's childhood hero, then Gray Ghost maybe copyrighted (on that Earth).
Tim cannot use the identity of Gray Ghost unless it's in the public domain (on that Earth).
Its not bad look or moniker, but its all in the execution. Remember the Drake fiasco? Some people thought (and some claimed before reading it) that it was after the type of dragon. Bad enough that it was literally his last name, but Bendis made the point of emphasizing that it was the duck version. Making it more of a lame duck moniker than "Red Robin".
And of course, can't forget actual stories. Getting the name is one thing, but having the stories to keep the character going is arguably even more important. Why? Well, 2 of the most prominent hero names, come from a very frail mammal that can fly, and a bird that is associated with Spring time. Truly the stuff of nightmares.