What's up with the pure hatred for Tim Drake nowadays?

[Godlike13]

I have the feeling that Jason is currently heading also down a similar path, due to the shitty writing after the end of RHatO.

If he doesn't soon get a series with a somewhat decent creative team and direction the fans actually want (and they make the writers of the other Bat-Books stop to trash the character constantly), he will also likely fall to the side.

Its not as if RHatO was generally considered good writing. Jason will be find. He's just feeling the ebbs and flow. As tedious as it becomes to long time readers he has a timeless default character loop he can always fall back on, and he has a highly adaptable Batman story. Same is true for Babs and Batgirl right now. Tim lacks that. He doesn't have anything to fall back too. He's not reflective of a modern teenager anymore, his character arc is very generic, and he's not appealing as an adaptable property. Which is why they made him bi. It was a desperate attempt to make him more contemporary.

[Aahz]

Its not as if RHatO was generally consider good writing.

But it is still overall better than what we got since than.

Task Force Z was overall less liked by his fans than RHatO, and most other books he was in had absolutely terrible takes on the character.

I think the "Legends of Gotham" one shot, and the Halloween Cross Over have been pretty much the only somewhat decent stories with Jason in quite some time.

[Riv86672]

Not sure what you're taking offense too.

^^^No offense taken; just pointing out that you can dislike something in a particular case without being phobic about that something as a whole.
When something’s bad it’s bad.

[Jackalope89]

But it is still overall better than what we got since than.

Task Force Z was overall less liked by his fans than RHatO, and most other books he was in had absolutely terrible takes on the character.

I think the "Legends of Gotham" one shot, and the Halloween Cross Over have been pretty much the only somewhat decent stories with Jason in quite some time.

Oddly enough, its been series outside the main comics that have been keeping Jason going pretty well. Wayne Family Adventures is a great example. And while all over the place, the Outlaws series wasn't all terrible either (just jumped back and forth way too much with some head scratching ideas at times). And right now, a Batman manga has a unique take on him. And, so far, its not bad at all.

[Konja7]

But it is still overall better than what we got since than.

Task Force Z was overall less liked by his fans than RHatO, and most other books he was in had absolutely terrible takes on the character.

I think the "Legends of Gotham" one shot, and the Halloween Cross Over have been pretty much the only somewhat decent stories with Jason in quite some time.

I think the point is Jason as a character won't fall on Tim's situation, because he has a unique role in the Batfamily. Jason may have many bad stories, but he will always feel relevant due to this role.

I know Jason fans don't like the way he is treated in recent stories, but his current situation is better than Tim.

[Morgoth]

He's not reflective of a modern teenager anymore, his character arc is very generic, and he's not appealing as an adaptable property.

Pretty much the core of his problem.

[sunofdarkchild]

I think a TV adaptation of Tim's 90s series could work well even today if Dixon's Steph was the co-lead and main romantic interest like she eventually became. But that's the problem. He needs another character to bounce off of, whereas the other Robins can all work as solo acts.

[ayanestar]

Jason will never be in the same situation as Tim because of his role in the Batfamily. He is the "failed" Robin, the one that died under Batman's care, and that alone will always make him more relevant for adaptations. Jason's issues in the comics usually start after his resurrection arc comes to a conclusion because some writers insist on him being the bad guy, so he is always reverted to his original form. It's similar to how Damian is never allowed to keep his character development. Tim's original purpose was to be the relatable Robin, but that's truly all he has to offer, or rather had to offer. In my opinion, the New 52 was the perfect opportunity to figure out a new purpose for his character, but we know how that turned out, and now they are wasting even more time by reverting him to Robin.

[the illustrious mr. kenway]

I remember his last series getting alot of flack on the forums. It was from both the anti and pro change crowd. So it's case of "you are only as good as your last hit". I felt that Tim was in a rut since the New 52 and no one ever fixed it. So the last miniseries was the straw that broke the camels back.

[CPSparkles]

The hate is due to Tim fans. There's an a section of his fansom that's obxnious as heck. Spreding lies about other Robin or undermining other Robins to elevate Tim.

We can alk recognise the misinformation that have now become memes

-Tim is a better detective than Bruce
-Tim is the only other Robin that Ra's has called Detective
-Tim is the most like Batman
-Tim is the heart of the Batfamily
-the only reason why people say tim is bland is because dC keeps taking traits that belong to tim and giving it to other Robins
-DC gave up on Tim
-DC doesn't care about Tim

These are often mocked in fandom.

There's a certain lack of awareness with this section of Tim fans who complain launching racist attacks on damian and Duke while enjoying privileged treatment from DC.

there's also the fallout a few years ago when fandom finally confronted Tim fans who have been writing Dick bashing and Damian bashing fics since 2009.

The whole Dick sent Tim to Arkham nonsense over on tumblr.

The problem isn't anything Tim has done. It's his fandom.

The complaints about Tim being bland have been there since jason was reintroduced.

[Timber Wolf-By-Night]

The hate is due to Tim fans. There's an a section of his fansom that's obxnious as heck. Spreding lies about other Robin or undermining other Robins to elevate Tim.

We can alk recognise the misinformation that have now become memes

-Tim is a better detective than Bruce
-Tim is the only other Robin that Ra's has called Detective
-Tim is the most like Batman
-Tim is the heart of the Batfamily
-the only reason why people say tim is bland is because dC keeps taking traits that belong to tim and giving it to other Robins
-DC gave up on Tim
-DC doesn't care about Tim

These are often mocked in fandom.

There's a certain lack of awareness with this section of Tim fans who complain launching racist attacks on damian and Duke while enjoying privileged treatment from DC.

there's also the fallout a few years ago when fandom finally confronted Tim fans who have been writing Dick bashing and Damian bashing fics since 2009.

The whole Dick sent Tim to Arkham nonsense over on tumblr.

The problem isn't anything Tim has done. It's his fandom.

The complaints about Tim being bland have been there since jason was reintroduced.

Let's not even try to pretend that the Tim haters haven't done their best to be even more "obnoxious."

[Drako]

I doubt that Tim fans that wrote fanfiction or complain on tumblr are the reason he is his current state.

[Morgoth]

All characters, especially popular ones, have their haters. In case with Robins, it's pretty much inevitable and it's not gonna change anytime soon - many fans of specific character might see a threat to his favorite in another character, because from their perspective he's taking his place. It's essentially the reason why many Tim fans hate Damian. It's one of reasons why some of Damian fans don't like Tim, especially over the past few years. It's the reason why the entire Bat-Fam fanbase mostly united in their huge hate for Jace, as another example.
It's just how it's going. And Tim current state has nothing to do with hate towards him, it's the creative, that failed him.

[Rac7d*]

I'm not saying it's all homophobia/bihophia, but unless we're pretending that doesn't exist, that's a lot of it. It would be a pretty big coincidence that this level of hatred only came when he came out.
To be fair, it's not been handled well, but other characters have had a bad run, a fumbled love interest and not gotten this kind of hate.

Nah this problem for Tim existed way back. Him being bi means they can’t just can’t kill him or put him in true limbo now since it would be the bury your gays trope

[Frontier]

I think a TV adaptation of Tim's 90s series could work well even today if Dixon's Steph was the co-lead and main romantic interest like she eventually became. But that's the problem. He needs another character to bounce off of, whereas the other Robins can all work as solo acts.

That's what you have Steph for.