To be fair, that book was set in the past before Gambit ever met Rogue. Of course Remy's loved other people in his life. I don't like books set in the past for that very reason, though. It just invites retroactive continuity and just doesn't work that well. And like, the threads he was writing in that book carried over to the X-Treme book, which was also set in the past, but like, years after Gambit's mini, and yet Storm was acting and wanting to be regarded much as little 'Ro was. It makes sense, from a writer's perspective, that those beats would carry over so strongly, but for where Storm was at circa the end of X-Treme X-Men, no it didn't make much sense.
I'd be fine with Marvel giving Lord Claremont more minis, but I would set them in the present and work within the wider line. Otherwise it just feels like a weird alternate reality. Which can be fine, but continuity is king. That was Lord Claremont's strong point really, emotional continuity. It's also why I think his post-'91 stuff just doesn't hit the same. In the original run, he basically had the line for 16 years. That kind of continuity of voice, for the characters, was invaluable. These modern minis, or even something like Forever or X-Treme, just don't quite give him the take-off and landing space he, or rather the story, really needs to excel. Not to say limited series or even one and dones can't be great stories, but there's nothing in comparison to more time. Seemingly infinite time. And like I alluded to in an earlier post, once he as an artist had the trust broken with Marvel basically booting him for a hotshot upstart, and we as readers had our trust broken, it doesn't just go back. It's broken. I don't know if it ever gets fixed. And honestly that's been the franchise since.
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You may not like his more current stuff, but they have not ALL been awful. X-Treme X-Men back in the day was great(and the Uncanny run that followed wasn't all bad either). Are any of those stories as worthy of adaptation as the Phoenix Saga, Days of Future Past, or Inferno? Absolutely. Give me a Khan takes over the world and Storm takes over his heart(and then beats his ass in a sewer) movie! Give me X-Treme Sage, the best Sage, and her will they won't they not-boyfriend Bishop! Give me the Shi'Ar death squad exterminating the Grey line and branding Rachel again! Give me Storm and Gambit infiltrating a UN G8 summit on the Bush ranch and walking away with a global mandate for the XSE! Let's have a movie with the team smooshing a nuke in downtown London. I'm even down for that crazy Storm in Tokyo fight clubs mess, have Miyazaki animate it, let's goooo! They were good stories. No one is adapting most the modern crap from other writers either, so that point is moot.
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The fact is no one is adapting any of that stuff regardless of how any of us feel. Claremont's later stuff has not set the world on fire and i doubt he could return yet again and push out interesting material
Meanwhile Whedon's run was adapted in X-men: The Last Stand. Parts of that and Morrison's material inspired the Anime. Magneto's Genosha was adapted in WATX. Old Man Logan was adapted in Logan. Krakoa was adapted in Marvel: Future Fight. so yeah material post-Claremont has been used as inspiration
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Those are some low-hanging cherries you're picking, but well played. I think it's fair to say that Claremont's adaptations, new or old, are still miles apart better and more pervasive than any other writer's work, old or new.
That said, in the spirit of this thread's OP, I still wouldn't want the newest comics determined completely by him again. I do think Marvel broke something very valuable back in 1991, and it can't be fixed. I sincerely doubt X-Men as a franchise adapted into other mediums, or in the comics themselves, will ever transcend Lord Claremont's influence, particularly but not limited to his OG run. He didn't create the X-Men, but he made it into what it is now, moreso than anyone else. That legacy can't be denied.
That said, the comics desperately need a steady supply of Claremontian devotees willing to dance with the devil for a few years at a time if they want this ship to keep sailing. Lord Ewing would be my pick for captain this very second, he's more than demonstrated his ability(he has been prolific across the entire catalogue, nevermind his exceptional X-works of late), but I think he also sees Disney-Marvel for what it is, and may have had his fill(or at least almost had his fill; is Thor all he's writing going forward at the moment?). Good luck finding someone else as talented!
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An adaptation of this would be enough to sustain me for at least a decade.
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Meant to say one out of the three. I can see him replacing Ewing or
Simone. Jed MacKay's Taskmaster was so awful I avoided everything he did. Then came the Avengers run which was actually... good. First I thought this was just me lowering my standards because he was following Jason Aaron. Turns out he really is a good writer who just can't write Taskmaster.
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I don't understand this argument. Lobdell wasn't a his successor to Claremont. He was the opposite. He didn't like strong women being too strong. He minimized both storm and phoenix. He started the stagnation that took to krakoa to fix.
Everything else you said I agree with but no to lobdell.
The cartoon may take place in the 90's but it's telling 80's stories. Lobdell's stories don't measure up.
Not to you specifically (but feel free to answer), what are the criticisms folks have of Simone’s writing? I found her DC runs on BoP, and SS enjoyable but it’s been a WHILE since I read them. Is it just that it’s been so long since she’s had a big hit? Or something about her dialogue or character writing?
Of course stuff by later writers has been adapted. No one's saying that adaptations have exclusively drawn from the Claremont well. Though I must point out that WATX drew heavily from Days of Future Past and the Dark Pheonix Saga.
But Claremont's work, and approach to the franchise, still remains the base template on which most adaptations have been built.
Its kinda akin to how most of the Spider-Man franchise is still built around the Lee/Dikto/Romita runs. Yes, elements from later eras do get incorporated into adaptations (the Alien Costume Saga/Venom in particular) but those early runs remain the foundation.
I think a case can be made for perhaps giving Claremont a mini, or an ongoing, in his own self-contained universe with a more 'back to basics' approach to the franchise. Something akin to an X-men '92. Recapture the glory years.