I agree but also bad guys shouldn't have been invited to Krakoa, to begin with, it's extremely contrived that so many characters would have no problem with the likes of Sinister and Apocalypse being part of Krakoa, and if the answer is that they're powerful then they should've done what Bishop and Cyclops proposed: make clones of them without conscience and have a telepath control them like puppets when they need to fight, much better than having to live alongside rapists, genociders, and nazis. As for Sinister, with so many skilled telepaths they could've gotten everything they needed for the resurrection protocols without having to keep him around, the fact that they gave him a position of power is just baffling, Xavier and Magneto are truly stupid.
Also, if I were one of Marvel's humans I wouldn't trust mutants if their government is full of some of the most evil people of all time, I'm sure that if Hitler was a mutant they would invite him to the council too.
Wait until it's revealed that Julian is actually Doom's ancestor, thus explaining where Victor got his power. All that stuff about Cynthia von Whatever? A distraction, a ruse to hide that his power comes from an X-Gene.
Because "Keller" is a German name, and German is one of Latveria's major languages. We know the X-Men had access to time travel, and if you buy the theory that Hellion also fathered the first mutants of Arakko, then it's possible his time travels also brought him to Latveria. In this essay I will
Yeah, those kind of people never rise in democratic politics in real life.
I think Hickman was batting for the sky with the initial Krakoa concept, and I would have loved to see his version all the way through. That said, it's pretty clear from interviews that he, and Marvel editorial, always saw the Krakoa experiment ending in failure. That's why they put all the evil villains on the Council. So it would be easier to accept the failure. I think that's also why they minimized Storm on the QC so much, and had her off on the side in Arrako for most of this **** show: so the filth wouldn't get on her too much(Scott even washed his hands of the whole lot of it from jump, and now will be championed as the great new leader for the new age). Let Sinister and Mother Righteous and Exodus and Mystique and Destiny and Moira take the fall. No one was doing anything with them before anyways. (Xavier will be put in jail and think about it until the next writer wants to use him.)
I mean, look at real world countries. Mired in inefficiencies, corruption, war for profit, scandals, etc. etc. The model has not worked well. And pure democracy, even in the way perhaps only a mutant country could actually pull off[immediate telepathic voting for all citizens], isn't necessarily better. Most people are kinda stupid, or at least, to be more generous, have a very narrow perspective. If you asked everyone what's the best solution for problem xyx, the most popular response is not necessarily going to be correct or feasible or even address the problem. In essence democracy is rule of the mob. People can be compassionate and thoughtful. A mob almost never is.
So maybe that's the pearl hidden in the muck of this From the Ashes dud of a concept: governments/fictitious nation-states can not save you. Only your own actions, in direct conjunction with your like-minded tribe, is real. Save your selves!
Let the flames destroy all but that which is pure and true!
I do wish they could have done something a bit more innovative with the post-Krakoa era from what they've been saying so far, but I was and am ready to move on from Krakoa years ago, so I'm excited to check out these new stories in a different setting.
Agreed, I don't think the Krakoa world-building was done very well at all.Originally Posted by Woozie
Huge holes all over the place and few writers seemed really interested in any of the socio-cultural implications. Too much focus on the council, not enough focus on the actual culture of the society and what most mutants actually wanted / thought about their future.
The villains in particular was very uninteresting, Orchis is one of the weakest villians we've had in a while. Don't even get me started on the Sinister clones.
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Except the fans like me who hated Krakoa and are glad it and its nonsense are gone. Always annoys me when people think they know how every fan thinks. I know a lot of people who lump the Krakoa age together with One More Day. Quite a few people stayed away from the X-Books over the last few years and will actually be coming back and I am one of them. And how are they stuck in the same place? Because they are acting like heroes again, not selfish jerks?
That's not the point. It doesn't matter if they played along because they shouldn't have been part of Krakoa to begin with, let alone get positions of power. And it's bad writing to make everyone fine with them being on the council, I know that Angel, Cable, Cyclops, etc wouldn't want to be part of a nation in which people like Apocalypse are not only allowed but given power for some reason, it's actually offensive, imagine making Cyclops report to the evil nazi who experimented on him as a child and the blue evil loser who ruined his son's life.
Yes, it's part of Hickman's biggest weakness; characterization. You basically need to suspend disbelief that the X-Men wouldn't react emotionally to many of these inclusions.
Are we supposed to forget Jaime Braddock is a child-trafficker? I know we give lots of villains free-passes, but writers really need to set boundaries for what is ok to forgive.
It doesn't help that he seemed to intentionally skip a year forward to avoid having to write these interactions. I kept expecting to get an explanation for all of this strange behavior but... nope, no explanation given.
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Yeah, the main issue with Krakoa is how contrived and forced everything is, Hickman deliberately ignores years of characterization and interpersonal history to make his story work but that's not how it should be, keeping the characters consistent and in character should be more important than worldbuilding, and some parts of Krakoa seem like they were written by Tumblr instead of an actual writer because in what world would Scott accept to share Jean with Logan? it feels like I'm not reading the same characters but OCs with their names and looks.
I honestly wonder if this concept might have been initially intended as a pitch for the Inhumans, given their trajectory before the Fox buy-out; it makes more sense for them than the X-Men. Would also explain Hickman playing especially loose with characterization, though that never seemed his priority compared to world-building either way.
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