POLL: Should "The Dream" Come Back Post-Krakoa

[Sin Nick]

Yup, back to the mansion I say. All I can say is X-Men '97 has completely killed what little interest I had in the current books and got me reading old back issues. I'm only speaking for myself, but a return to something familiar might make the mutants interesting again.

[cranger]

The Decimation/Extinction era was the simply Marvel's way of keeping the X-Men in their own corner of the MU and at the same time using the popularity that remained despite the horrible stories to try to prop up MCU friendly characters (there is a lot that has to do with films and licensing on a superficial level) and trying to keep the revenue coming in and the number of titles on the shelves high. There is nothing in the last twenty years of repetitive doom and gloom that is essential to nor definitive of the X-Men characters, teams or history. The X-Men books reached peak readership before and without any of this level of genocide.

[Dizzystarr]

Nah after Krakoa The Dream is as dead as Uncle Ben

[JB]

Do people not understand that Krakoa was itself a form of co-existence. Yes mutants had their own nation, but they still very much interacted with humanity politically and economically.

That's how I feel. I'm hoping some of the positive developments like the hospital Emma/Hellfire opened in Madripoor will at least be referenced. As far as we know it's still standing, right?

[DurararaFTW]

Do people not understand that Krakoa was itself a form of co-existence. Yes mutants had their own nation, but they still very much interacted with humanity politically and economically.

It's not just a nation, the gates are a form of transport globally that is open to all mutants freely but physically inaccessible to humans, the Resurrection protocols are a form of life insurance or health care however you wanna see it that is open to all mutants and not humans. The society they were creating was not one of coexisting as equals.

[Devaishwarya]

The Dream of co-existence was still present, the mutants just founded their own nation community where-in they didn't have to depend on the very sparse kindnesses of strangers and the people who hated them. Where they could live and thrive in the comfort and authenticity of their skin/powers without fear of judgement. The heroes still fought for a world that hated and feared them, to freely exist in that world. And they were well on the way to achieving that dream and would have succeeded except...as plot would dictate...OS, Orchis and the Machines frakked that dream up.

Mutants are forever doomed to be fighting for a dream that will never ever be realised....if Brevoort and Co. have any say about it.

[JB]

It's not just a nation, the gates are a form of transport globally that is open to all mutants freely but physically inaccessible to humans, the Resurrection protocols are a form of life insurance or health care however you wanna see it that is open to all mutants and not humans. The society they were creating was not one of coexisting as equals.

But as Jean said they didn't have the capability to scan the minds of billions of people on the planet. Their priority was to rebuild their numbers first, the numbers lost to them in tragedies. Unfortunately more tragedies hit and they never got the chance to bring all of their own dead back.

[NewMutant]

I also found Krakoa an extension of the dream. Of course the villains as claiming "Godhood" comes off as threating, but that doesn't mean it wasn't set up under the coexistence dream. Krakoa easily could still be running nation with other mutants also back at the mansion and in the world.

[Devaishwarya]

It's not just a nation, the gates are a form of transport globally that is open to all mutants freely but physically inaccessible to humans, the Resurrection protocols are a form of life insurance or health care however you wanna see it that is open to all mutants and not humans. The society they were creating was not one of coexisting as equals.

You don't have to be equals to coexist. In fact, IRL we coexist despite our inequalities and differences.

So Mutants were required to give Everything they had to humanity...they even started to induct humans into the RPs...but what was Humanity willing to give in return? More judgement? More fear? That's not a fair trade.

[DurararaFTW]

You don't have to be equals to coexist. In fact, IRL we coexist despite our inequalities and differences.

So Mutants were required to give Everything they had to humanity...they even started to induct humans into the RPs...but what was Humanity willing to give in return? More judgement? More fear? That's not a fair trade.

You are lumping all humans together, irrespective of nations, and that's fine but you can't ignore all human national distinctions and but just claim Krakoa is just one more nation added to the lot. It's not a nation, it's a racial distinction being artificially reinforced. one or two human superheros being resurrected out of absolute situational neccesity, three humans being granted Krakoa citizen status is nothing compared to the thousands of mutants that inexplicably will definitely have retained their US/british/russian/ectera citizen status despite the whole Krakoa debacle with all benefits intact.

[mugen]

no, the dream is the "one more day" of mutants since the cycle of genocide was triggered by the editorial, it no longer has any meaning since humans have:

- enslaved 15 million Genosha mutants using them as resources to be exhausted and killed once useless without it posing the slightest problem to the human government who just shrugged their shoulders when the Genosha mutants were genocided by sentries because of cassandra and the trask son

- exterminate 3000 mutants in concentration camps in Canada

- destroyed the school several times, hunting and killing the mutants of New York

- took advantage of mday and the fact that there are 298 mutants and therefore no longer "a threat" to try to definitively exterminate them with sentinels

- attacked and chased away the mutants who had taken refuge in San Francisco to try a new life in collaboration with humans

- burned babies alive to try to kill hope summers at birth

- stryker massacred 52 students who no longer even had their powers, most of whom were not even over 10 years old, all this while several months before xavier stopped kitty from killing stryker who had nevertheless killed mutants because he you have to believe in the dream, there is surely good in him lol kitty let her go because she is a heroine and he thanked the mutants with another massacre

- attacked utopia and killed mutants several times, viruses, nimrod sentinel, bastion and other attacks while the mutants tried to live in peace no longer seeing any other solution to be safe from human persecution

- had no problem seeing mutants die because of terrigen, had no problem with the inhumans creating their own nation which makes the hatred against krakoa completely ridiculous

- shouted with joy at the disappearance of the x-men in age of x and took advantage of their disappearance to track down and kill all the mutants rhane killed in a park and refusing to defend herself to show that she is a good mutant... loa and other young mutants hunted and killed by humans, blindfold committing suicide for the same reason not to mention forcing children to take "the vaccine" to erase the x gene.
Emma was ready to erase the memory of humans from the planet so that they forget the existence of mutants

- shouted their hatred for mutants when they built Krakoa to live in peace despite the fact that they sold medicine to humans curing several diseases, shouted robbery when the mutants terraformed Mars, shouted with joy when the eternals were getting ready to genocide krakoa and arakko

- despite the fact that the mutants are giving access to resurrection to certain humans, they ended up succeeding in destroying Krakoa thanks to Orchis and Xavier and have a stupid dream causing the entire Krakoan population to disappear and have hunted, killed, denounced and deported the mutants from the entire planet with the complicity of all world governments

and all this while the x-men have saved the earth and humanity countless times even during krakoa when nothing forced them to do so


After all that, all the massacres perpetrated by humans if even creating your own nation to live in peace, if even leaving the planet to go to Mars is not enough for humans to stop killing them, that there is is there anything else to do? why should mutants continue to believe in xavier's dream which is obsolete and stupid and a danger for mutants it is more than masochism at this level it has become totally absurd.

Because of the editorial and their obsession with the cycle of genocide, the mutants are written as eternal victims under Stockholm syndrome who after each genocide continue to believe in Xavier's dream like idiots and to protect their oppressors to hope for their approval while this so that it ends each time in genocide.

With each genocide the mutants continue again and again to play the heroes with their dreams which allow humans again and again to kill innocent mutant civilians who are the first victims of Xavier's dream and who, unlike the x-men, do not come back to life, which for me ended up making the x-men detestable who, through their choices of playing heroes by refusing to eliminate their enemies and continuing to believe in the dream, contributed to the death of many mutants alone x-force ultimately was there to protect the mutants once they were unfortunately too late.

The editorial has so twisted the cycle of genocide in an unhealthy way that it has made xavier's dream obsolete, stupid and disgusting it no longer has any interest, if hickman had not come with krakoa I would have stopped the x -men for this reason unfortunately brevoort will bring us back to this mediocrity...

Xavier's dream died long before Krakoa who only drove the last nail into the coffin but Brevoort will start writing mutants again as miserable victims under Stockholm syndrome as if nothing had happened and we will have mutant porn genocide again.
Why do I, the reader, want to read again this cycle of genocide and the mutant who protects those who hates and fears but who believes in the dream when I already know that he has been dead for a long time thanks to Marvel humans and the editorial, everything that awaits mutants are not the realization of the dream but a new genocide in stories that have already been seen and re-watched and which no longer have anything to tell like Xavier's dream.

[cranger]

Krakoa only works if Marvel stops having enemies try to wipe it off the face of the Earth. If Marvel stops having enemies try to kill every last mutant, than Krakoa is not needed anyway. The dream works in the middle ground, where mutants are not just 'other' but also the future; and society in general has differing reactions to change and people on a personal level react differently (both positive and negatively) to any given encounter they have with someone with mutant powers. That is, the X-Men stories work better in a smaller scale which is what I hope they get back to.

[Devaishwarya]

You are lumping all humans together, irrespective of nations, and that's fine but you can't ignore all human national distinctions and but just claim Krakoa is just one more nation added to the lot. It's not a nation, it's a racial distinction being artificially reinforced. one or two human superheros being resurrected out of absolute situational neccesity, three humans being granted Krakoa citizen status is nothing compared to the thousands of mutants that inexplicably will definitely have retained their US/british/russian/ectera citizen status despite the whole Krakoa debacle with all benefits intact.

No. I wasn't lumping all humans together...Duggan's X-Men clearly showed cities and communities embracing the mutants who saved them and the Earth from lethal threats.

And Krakoa was a sovereign nation with all the rights thereof, as any other sovereign nation...like Wakanda, Latveria, like America.

As with Sovereign nations...you can have dual citizenship. Or, you could be a living, and working in Trinidad and Tobago but have British Citizenship and vice versa. Krakoa was never given the opportunity to develop and become a functioning global Nation. It was never meant to be. Like I said...Hickman, JDW and Orchis had different plans.

[gonnagiveittoya]

That's how I feel. I'm hoping some of the positive developments like the hospital Emma/Hellfire opened in Madripoor will at least be referenced. As far as we know it's still standing, right?

This is the....Moira MacTaggart Memorial hospital correct

[Rift]

The narrative will never allow the Dream to progress, and situations can only go backwards. Co-existence can never be achieved. Even if you look at it from an in-universe perspective there's more than enouygh evidence to believe thay the dream is nothing but a pipe dream.

At this point just kill the humans, who cares at this point