I just feel that after a five year stretch of the franchise as a whole (not every character, but the larger direction of the series) being about the dream being a lie/rejected itd be nice for the next one to go back to it
I just feel that after a five year stretch of the franchise as a whole (not every character, but the larger direction of the series) being about the dream being a lie/rejected itd be nice for the next one to go back to it
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SCOTT SUMMERS AND EMMA FROST DESERVED BETTER.
The idea of Krakoa is very specifically that they are separate from the human world and not a part of it. Every single mutant has diplomatic immunity that basically makes them sovereign citizens who can do basically anything but murder and face no consequences. (And even then the ones who do murder usually didn't get punished)
Yes but the frustrating thing is that Marvel doesn't allow for any real progress to happen and for them to get closer to it.
I'm not advocating for any of the above. Krakoa was not isolationist, going by those early stories, far from it. Arakko could be considered sequestered but that was out of necessity for the safety of the Earth.
My approach is simply to exist and live and be allowed to do so respectfully and peacefully wherever they decide to do so. Sure, you'd have the odd hate-motivated organisation or two making noise and trouble but for the most part every one else would just go about their normal business with the understanding that there are bad mutants and there are good mutants, just as there are bad humans and there are good humans in the world. Just as in "the Real World outside my window."
(Except in very recent times you do have governments actively pursuing the decimation and extermination of whole groups and nations of people so...still doesn't mean that's the only story that can be written)
Last edited by Devaishwarya; 03-28-2024 at 11:01 AM.
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Krakoa was not about no coexistence, it was about protection and thriving under it.
It's been stated multiple times throughout the era that Xavier and most X-men still believe in coexistence. Krakoa just gave them tools to even exist.
You can't have "the world outside your window" in a utopian paradise island where everyone is rich, immortal, and self declared sovereigns of the solar system
It'd really hard to buy the coexistence argument when there are nearly a dozen times they come into conflict with humans, almost always who are well respected heroes and ostensibly their friends, because humans are banned from Krakoa outright
Typically speaking, heroes try to do the right thing, even if it's hard while villains are the ones that try to impose their will over others. The X-men have become far too similar to Magneto's Brotherhood or the Acolytes over the years.
The x-books (and some of it's fans) love to mention all the countless times humans have supposedly ruined mutants lives, the X-books are sure quick to dismiss anytime mutants have attacked and killed humans, or rewritten reality so they rule, taken over the solar system and declared themselves the new rulers, wiped out entire civilizations (I'm looking at you Apocalypse), risked the entire world because they were unhappy with mutants not having powers, an pretty much every single moment of Sabretooth's life.
That, and the fact that they welcomed people that have body counts higher than some wars and told them "Well, that's all in the past now. Tell me you won't murder anymore and we'll forget everything bad you ever did."The idea of Krakoa is very specifically that they are separate from the human world and not a part of it. Every single mutant has diplomatic immunity that basically makes them sovereign citizens who can do basically anything but murder and face no consequences. (And even then the ones who do murder usually didn't get punished)
Last edited by Alan2099; 03-28-2024 at 11:07 AM.
Duggan's X-Men were certainly believing in the dream, at least before the Fall of X where everyone had to fight and kill to survive. Krakoa was a society as a whole and what they believe in doesn't have to match up with what the X-Men believe in.
Krakoa was far from Utopian. As some writers presented.
Krakoa didn't have an equitable distribution of wealth and socio-economic strata. You had the QC who were the financial backing and you had everyone else.
Krakoans died. And while they had the means to be resurrected, outside of the main characters, how many of the regular Krakoans caught in the crossfires were actually brought back?
Krakoa was not Sovereign of anything...that was Arakko. Which is a very different conversation.
Your interpretations of these things seems to be quite...different.
Last edited by Devaishwarya; 03-28-2024 at 11:14 AM.
Lord Ewing *Praise His name! Uplift Him in song!* Your divine works will be remembered and glorified in worship for all eternity. Amen!
Lord Ewing *Praise His name! Uplift Him in song!* Your divine works will be remembered and glorified in worship for all eternity. Amen!