Avengers #12 - Preview (FotHoX tie-in)

[M@Bowers2014]

Maybe Delroy is one of the "Secret Avengers" Carol is talking about.
I still want to trust MacKay.

He made a huge mistake, murdering Crusader. But that didn't magically turn him into a bigot who would take an offer from freakin MODOK.

I really hope that 3D Man is a "Secret Avenger" and just waiting for his moment to turn the tables on Orchis. I think people that don't like him haven't read any of his appearances since his early days when he was called Triathlon.

[D.Z]

I read his early appearances, so annoying. I hate his later self too.

[M@Bowers2014]

I read his early appearances, so annoying. I hate his later self too.

Congrats. Your opinion doesn't negate everyone else's.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Congrats. Your opinion doesn't negate everyone else's.

Then what's the point of even having an opinion?

[D.Z]

I don't deal in opinions, only facts.

[Johnrevenge]

I didn't care for him until he became the new 3-D Man, then I thought he was way cooler. He did become rather useless when the Skrull invasion ended.

Same. I liked him more when he became 3-D Man. Shame they stopped using him after Secret Invasion.

[Dermie]

Atlantis Attacks, I think, when the New Agents of Atlas teamed up with the old Agents of Atlas - it was in one of the previous Agents of Atlas books that he changed his name to 3-D Man upon joining the team.

It was in AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE when Delroy changed identities from Triathlon to 3-D Man, when he 'graduated' from Camp Hammond and was assigned to be a team leader for one of the 50 States teams.

You are right that the ATLANTIS ATTACKS mini is the last time he turned up until now though.

Like many others in the thread, I expect that Delroy is going to turn out to be a spy for the Avengers in Orchis. When Triathlon first joined the Avengers he was advocating against bigotry and discrimination, both as a black superhero AND as a member of the Triune Understanding religious organization. While its certainly not impossible for a member of an oppressed minority group to end up being bigoted themselves, I just don't see it as likely for Delroy to have such strong anti-mutant attitudes. Jed MacKay has a great track record towards showing love and respect towards under-used and obscure characters, so I would be very surprised if he were to pull Delroy out of limbo just to have him heel-turn into an anti-mutant bigot working with a genocidal fascist organization with no previous on-panel groundwork to justify it.

[Malachi]

It was in AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE when Delroy changed identities from Triathlon to 3-D Man, when he 'graduated' from Camp Hammond and was assigned to be a team leader for one of the 50 States teams.

You are right that the ATLANTIS ATTACKS mini is the last time he turned up until now though.

Like many others in the thread, I expect that Delroy is going to turn out to be a spy for the Avengers in Orchis. When Triathlon first joined the Avengers he was advocating against bigotry and discrimination, both as a black superhero AND as a member of the Triune Understanding religious organization. While its certainly not impossible for a member of an oppressed minority group to end up being bigoted themselves, I just don't see it as likely for Delroy to have such strong anti-mutant attitudes. Jed MacKay has a great track record towards showing love and respect towards under-used and obscure characters, so I would be very surprised if he were to pull Delroy out of limbo just to have him heel-turn into an anti-mutant bigot working with a genocidal fascist organization with no previous on-panel groundwork to justify it.

It is a leap and while I don't put it beyond marvel I certainly hope that it's beyond Mackay. The part that is worrying me is that the book needs an intersting antagonist and Delroy fits that mold in one regard since he has previous relationships with most of the members on the Avengers team. At the same time his powers certainly doesn't make him a match for most of them.

[Huntsman Spider]

So I guess Mackay took it personally when he killed Crusader in Secret Invasion, huh?

Understandable. That was just f***ed up. Crusader was on their side, fighting for Earth's and humanity's freedom, not for the Skrulls.

Kind of ironic how he can see the threat of skrulls, mutants and Avengers, but apparently missed the threat of Orchis, or more specifically its robot leaders whose plan is for the machines to win, so they want to kill not just mutants but also humans.

All organic life on Earth --- mutant, human, superhuman alike. As Nimrod himself put it in Fall of the House of X #3, Orchis was just classic "divide and conquer" B.S., man and mutant pitted against each other for stewardship of Earth's destiny, unknowing and heedless of the machines that would eradicate them both for the sake of ascending to Dominion.

Maybe Delroy is one of the "Secret Avengers" Carol is talking about.
I still want to trust MacKay.

He made a huge mistake, murdering Crusader. But that didn't magically turn him into a bigot who would take an offer from freakin MODOK.

Same.

It was in AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE when Delroy changed identities from Triathlon to 3-D Man, when he 'graduated' from Camp Hammond and was assigned to be a team leader for one of the 50 States teams.

You are right that the ATLANTIS ATTACKS mini is the last time he turned up until now though.

Like many others in the thread, I expect that Delroy is going to turn out to be a spy for the Avengers in Orchis. When Triathlon first joined the Avengers he was advocating against bigotry and discrimination, both as a black superhero AND as a member of the Triune Understanding religious organization. While its certainly not impossible for a member of an oppressed minority group to end up being bigoted themselves, I just don't see it as likely for Delroy to have such strong anti-mutant attitudes. Jed MacKay has a great track record towards showing love and respect towards under-used and obscure characters, so I would be very surprised if he were to pull Delroy out of limbo just to have him heel-turn into an anti-mutant bigot working with a genocidal fascist organization with no previous on-panel groundwork to justify it.

Hmm, very good and valid points there.

[kcekada]

I hope he's a double agent, and that it's not the usual "let's screw up D-listers" move. That would be disappointing from MacKay.

Yeah, I can't see him doing that. I didn't care for Triathlon, but when he became 3-D Man 2, I liked him a lot better.

[danielsan52]

Yeah unfortunately Del became a bit kill-happy when it came to the Skrulls.

I really hope he is a plant and not really anti-mutant.

[Anthony Shaw]

I miss Vision being Magneto's son-in-law.

Also, I'm cosigning Dermie views on Delroy.

[Huntsman Spider]

Yeah unfortunately Del became a bit kill-happy when it came to the Skrulls.

I really hope he is a plant and not really anti-mutant.

Didn't he join the Skrull Kill Krew for a bit?

[Rzerox21xx]

Anyone read the issue today, it was entertaining and nice to see the Avengers heavy hitters curbstomp those Orchis goons and rescuing mutants prisoners and well 3D man is just being a petty *******. issue ends with the a fleet of Stark Sentinels going after the Avengers homebase why they are away.

[JB]

Very enjoyable issue and I feel like it better showcased the size and might of Orchis than some of the X-books have. I was going to do a review thread but I'm under the weather and can't concentrate lol

I started getting the feeling that 3D Man is a double agent, especially when MODOK asked how the Avengers knew which facilities to hit. I think he might be feeding them the information.