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    Quote Originally Posted by HsssH View Post
    So Johns and Frank doing Earth One Batman was wrong choice according to you?
    In a way I do think so. Looking back at Earth One I'd say Johns, JMS, Morrison and Lemire are all good writers but none of them were exactly bold new picks, which I think is a vibe you could get from all their books.

    Earth One GL is the only one they didn't go for an obvious choice and I think it's not a coincidence that it's the best book imo. They should give promising new creators (aka not people who have been writing the main Marvel and DC books for over a decade) a lot of creative freedom if they want it to work this time.

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    I think part of the problem with Earth One was the graphic novel format so it came out so infrequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HsssH View Post
    So Johns and Frank doing Earth One Batman was wrong choice according to you?
    I read the first one, so that's a strong "YES" from me. Lol.

    I am perpetually thankful that Johns didn't give himself a run on Batman. Dude has proven time and again that he cannot write him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I think part of the problem with Earth One was the graphic novel format so it came out so infrequently.
    This was definitely big part of it. It's really hard to get invested in an imprint that may or not release a book in a year. Black Label has stumbled a few times (months long breaks) but is still far more consistent.
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    "Has Sariel summoned you here, Azrael? Have you come to witness the miracle of your brethren arriving on Earth?"

    "I WILL MIX THE ASHES OF YOUR BONES WITH SALT AND USE THEM TO ENSURE THE EARTH THE TEMPLARS TILLED NEVER BEARS FRUIT AGAIN!"

    "*sigh* I hoped it was for the miracle."

    Dan Watters' Azrael was incredible, a constant delight and perhaps too good for this world (but not the Forth). For the love of St. Dumas, DC, give us more!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I think part of the problem with Earth One was the graphic novel format so it came out so infrequently.
    I thought that was the main issue. The books themselves were decent but hard to stay interested when they come out so infrequently.
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    I've seen a couple of pitches floating around that I like.

    https://twitter.com/FitMarshmellow/s...93797406208365



    Quote Originally Posted by FitMarshmellow
    Fuck it, that Ultimate Wizard Magazine tweet got me inspired. Here's my pitch for Ultimate Superman. What's the big difference between him and Prime Earth? Well, he wasn't raised by the Kents. No, no. He was raised by the Els, who found refuge on Earth after Krypton's demise.

    The big idea is to tweak the Superman premise to really hone in on the immigrant/refugee narrative. He will be representative of the second generation immigrant, raised at home with his original culture, but socialized through his new culture.

    This is a Kal who speaks Kryptonese at home, but can never have the perfect accent. A Kal who indulges in Kryptonian cuisine, but is ashamed to prefer Earth cuisine. A Kal whose life can only be described as dealing with an itch he can never seem to scratch.

    Kal El (his human name is Caleb Elliot) also shares many similarities to his Prime Earth counterpart. He and his family lived out his childhood years in Smallville. He had a crush on the girl next door, Lana Kent. His best friend was an outcast like him, Lex Luthor.

    Krypton in this universe is advanced scientifically in a lot of ways, but socially regressed in a lot of other ways. A commitment to caste systems and class divides were what destroyed Krypton, embroiling it in a massive planetary civil war.

    A planetary civil war that started a chain reaction that would eventually lead to the destruction of the planet. That doesn't mean Krypton is some tainted culture, though. God no, Krypton was a beautiful place, with so much potential and wonderful people.

    But Jor El, who was only a worker-class in the science guild, could not convince the powers that be of the disaster to come. His word was simply not worth that much. So, he built a ship for his son to escape in. However, with a month to spare, he was able to build another ship.

    5 years later, they found their son at an orphanage in Smallville, looked after by the Kents, who helped ease their process of integration. The Els are not the scientific superior intellects as portrayed in other media. While yes, Jor-El is a super genius by Earth standards and Lara Lor-Van (a former member of the Military Guild before embroiling herself into the arts) also has an intellect higher than the average human, they are not so far above us where they see Earth as an ant farm. They are truly just from a different culture and environment.

    And well, Jor El and Lara's last memories of Krypton were of a society hell-bent on self destruction. So both of them are very open to the idea of integrating into Earth culture.
    They live out their days quietly and peacefully in Smallville, trying their best not to arouse suspicion and raise their son as both a Kryptonian and a Human. But all this does is make Kal feel ever more isolated.

    Kal was raised by his parents to recognize himself as a Kryptonian, but was always told to never fully embrace that identity. That they are Human now. That lie doesn't last long when one day, Kal flies away in a tantrum.

    It seems being raised under Earth's yellow sun gave way to Kal manifesting a whole host of super abilities, while his parents at most seemed to never get sick anymore. Kal was now always reminded of how alien he was to both his human classmates and his Kryptonian parents.

    The Big Picture for this pitch is that Caleb learns to embrace this new third culture brewing in him--reconnecting with his Kryptonian heritage while not being afraid to use that and participate in Human culture. He won't let Earth fall into self destruction like his home planet.

    He won't let his father's hang-ups on the fruitlessness of standing up to the powers that be get in his way. With the help of his mother, who always encouraged his curiosity, and his rival at the household paper, Lois Chaudhari, he learns to accept himself.

    Eventually leading to an identity reveal. This is a Kal who won't hide behind performances and segment his identity in his confusion. He will create the ultimate Kal, the one truest to himself.
    His suit here is heavily inspired by Jor-El's silver age design. He's basically dressed in Kryptonian fashion, with some human flourishes (gloves and boots).

    Some other details. Lex and the Els form a very strong connection during Kal's childhood. Lex worked with Jor and Kal in Jor's secret science lab. Lex and Kal were practically brothers. Lex begins to put it together that the Els are from somewhere out of this world.

    Jor is adamant in never revealing the truth to him, in fear of risking their ability to assimilate into Earth society. Kal wants to reveal himself to his best friend, of course. But before any rebellious actions can be taken... Lex is involved in an accident with Kryptonite.

    Lex assumes Kal sabotaged him purposefully, out of jealousy of him and Jor's relationship. Lex leaves the Els behind and starts his journey into becoming the greatest criminal mastermind in the world.

    He vows that if even the outcasts wouldn't accept him, he will make the entire world bend the knee to him.
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    And another one

    https://twitter.com/comicskirby/stat...80980043813192

    Quote Originally Posted by comicskirby
    Absolute Superman
    Doomed Planet. Desperate Scientists. Last HOPES.
    Themes:
    It is easy to be pessimistic, but optimism affects change. You cannot progress your life or the ways of life through maintaining the status quo. Maintaining optimism in the face of adversity, is a muscle that characters must build. No person is destined through nature versus nurture, it is the characters own self discovery and willingness to persevere.

    General Plot:
    Kal and Kara are sent from Krypton to Earth. Kal is 6-8, Kara is an infant. Kal remembers his parents and vague understanding of their heritage, and needs to be the guardian over Kara. Ma & Pa Kent remain the kindly couple, adopting the both of them.

    What would change is the dynamic between Kara and Kal, and the personality traits provided to both. Kal is protective of Kara, refusing to abandon the last of his family. Kara is the one that is brought up to be as if she's human. Kal retains his introverted nature, aversion to forming bonds outside those of the family home. Kara is the ticking clock (obviously for later dramatic reveal) regarding her heritage. Kal wants to shield her from otherness that he feels, but also a small portion of himself resents being the one that remembers the destruction of Krypton.

    Kal becomes Superboy in his adolescence, operating outside of Smallville and his only objective is to save anyone while also not being seen.

    Pa Kent dies while Kal is acting as Superboy, trapped in a heavily populated city, making the choice between his adoptive father and thousands of civilians. Upon his speedy return to Smallville, Kara discovers Kal could've been there and blames Kal. Kara refutes her heritage, and remains in the comfort that is Smallville. Kal takes this as a time to find direction, and a step into the unknown of growing up. Kal moves to Metropolis, becomes a reporter at the Daily Planet. Kal's future with the Planet is one of self-discovery and uncovering systemic corruption. Kara's future is seeing the good done by Kal, coming to terms with her heritage, and beginning in his footsteps. Wanting to not relegate her to a sidekick, but a partner. She's a part of a whole, the last hopes of Krypton, and to deny destiny/heritage is akin to allowing for more like Pa to die. Kara becomes more adjusted to humanity and is not stifled by her abilities as a means of outcasting. With Kara and Kal being united, we are able to progress both in their need for kinship because they have each other.

    Lex is the co-chair in LexCorp, now military contractors for weapons development and scientific advancements. His father presiding as the CEO and industrialist businessman, while Lex is the R&D/ socially inept "mad scientist". Lex's relationship to his father is similar to Succession's portrayal of Kendall Roy & Logan Roy. He is chasing his father's footsteps, but is never able to surpass. Lex is tired of being in the shadow, while not gaining the due respect. His innovations are suspiciously aided by technology gained with the working relationship to Sam Lane, Lois Lane's father.

    This technology will be of alien origin, and once activated works as a honing beacon. We are NOT doing Fourth World! I want this to be technology from Colu, and an attempt by Brainiac to send Trojan horse devices to habitable planets. He knows that the planets that are able to access and activate the technology, will be ones of great value in his pursuit of knowledge.

    Brainiac is enamored by the human race, and their insistence of resiliency, while also behaving in the interest of selfishness. Brainiac sees Earth as a case study and sees humanity as a doomed planet, devolving because of the human flaw. Brainiac works as a reflection of cynicism, paired with metaphor for colonialism on "uncivilized cultures". Brainiac is the end point of fascism by way of imparting will onto societies, and the garnering of planets as a capitalistic allegory of resource hoarding (on a planetary scale). Superman and Supergirl function as the oppositional force, and embodiment of the human perseverance. Not enacting their will, but providing humanity with the ability to make systemic changes.

    Characters:
    Pa Kent: Reserved and not a man of many words, but the words he does provide identify his underlying care for his family. Not reactionary, but played as an allegory for conservative men with closeted children. His acceptance of Kal's (and later Kara's) embrace of their heritage is the moment he realizes he cannot ignore or treat their shared heritage as an elephant in the room. He is the "status quo" characterization. Himself, like Smallville, are the warm blanket and the opposition to change.

    Ma Kent: Continuing the Birthright characterization, she is the allegorical mother of children with autism. Knowing the mannerisms, changes in personality, supportive in their interests, and able to be the calm wave of emotions. Ma Kent raises Kal to instill the love and compassion, while helping him work through the isolationist tendencies he has as a child with post traumatic stress.

    Kara (Smallville): Eight years behind Kal, she is naive to their heritage. Kal ensures to hide his abilities from Kara until it is no longer possible. Kara stays in Smallville to be raised by Ma Kent, after the sudden death of Pa Kent. She learns of Kal's persona of Superboy, and thus learns of their shared heritage. Kara retreats to the comfort blanket of Smallville, wishing to retreat to a status quo, while Kal takes his progression to Metropolis.

    Kal (Smallville): Isolationist, fearing of the power within himself, he is relegated to be a self-imposed outcast. Kal's first friend is Lex while in Smallville, and learns of the absentee parents that raise Lex. Lex is Kal's first encounter with helping someone, and self betterment. Lex, like Krypton and Pa Kent's death, are inevitable in their events. He relies on Ma for emotional support, and Pa for life experience.

    Lex: He is not born evil. I would be modelling Lex after Ditko's Peter. He is a young kid that is given every opportunity financially, but emotionally he is fractured. He is a reflection of Kal, and that's why they become friends. What happens when a child in a troubled home, and with one friend, is forced to leave? His parents relocate him from Smallville to Metropolis in an attempt to become the higher status that the parents seek, ignoring Lex's pleas to stay. He cannot start over again.

    Superboy: Kal works in secret, akin to Secret Identity. In and out, not to be seen. He yearns for notoriety and kinship with others, but knows that is a selfish need. He knows Smallville is the town of no trouble, so he begins outside of this area into larger cities. At first to test his limitations, but realizing that if there's those in need, he must be prepared to help. It's a necessity to keep away from Smallville, to distance his appearances to be easily located, but also to keep any hint away from Kara.

    Superman: Upon the death of Pa, Kal realizes he cannot save everyone but he can attempt to be where he's needed. He needs to take the leap of faith outside of the comfort of the status quo, and begin a new journey.

    Kal (Metropolis): He still adopts the mannerisms of Clark Kent, and is played as a masking of his true self. In a room filled with some of the best investigative reporters, he can never be himself. He is taken aback by Lois Lane's attitude, because she sees corruption and will speak truth to power. He's frightened of his ousting his identity, but is heartened by her dedication to protecting the innocent and ousting corruption, without having the capabilities of Superman. She's intriguing, dangerous, and unabashedly stands by her morals.

    Lois Lane: She has a history in Metropolis of shaking up the status quo of citywide corruption. Providing the people with a voice, but not allowing the power of trust by the public to corrupt. She's cynical, seeing the flaws in everything surrounding her, but not being able to admit that her greatest flaw is her inability to trust in goodness... until she meets Superman.

    Kara (Metropolis): Kara reconciles with Kal, deciding to take his lead and become Supergirl. She provides Kal with the kinship he desires in a life of isolationism, while being provided the opportunity to embrace change and her heritage.

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