Titans Together! Teen Titans Appreciation

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A roster change is inevitable at this point. The real question is will it be good and will writers try something new.

I'm still not ruling out those rumors of a combined team and relaunch around the time of the new show.

You're right, of course, but how much is due to the quality of the story and how much is due to the power of the Titan brand in this difference ? There should be a lot more than 10k between CHampions and those books considering the marketing power of (Teen) Titans.

Well, Titans is definitely a much more known and popular brand then the Champions are.

And, yes, quality doesn't always equal sales though conversely quality is also in the eye of the beholder.

99% of the time, I see actual quality as having very little to do with a book's sales. Personally, I think Champions (when it isn't having a tie-in or crossover) is leagues better than both current Titans books.

I'd put Percy's Teen Titans on par with Waid's Champions, though I think Waid is a much better writer then Percy is.

I've heard people bash Champions for 'having an agenda'(whatever that means)but its a solid and underrated series. Unlike the Titans, Champions actually has a purpose and do not let the Avengers put them in timeout.

I think they started that way, but I feel like at this point the Champions' purpose as a group has kind of fallen by the wayside compared to just being a teen Superhero team, like the Titans generally are.

The big difference between the Big 7 and the Fab 5 is that when it comes to the Big 7 at least 6 of them are popular and sustaining characters, and when it comes to the Fab 5 only 1, maybe 2, can say that. The Fab 5 aren't actually that fabulous. They are not even the most popular incarnation of the Teen Titans or Titans.

I'd bump that up to 3, though I know you'd never acknowledge Roy as popular .

The big difference between the Big 7 and Fab 5 is that the former were created as fully formed adults with identities that they've maintained for their entire fictional existence. Their roles are clearly defined, and what's more, they do not depend on the JL franchise alone to make them the big names that they are. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash(es), the GLs and Aquaman at least all have rich mythologies of their own, and the JL book is based around the hype of seeing all these big names come together for big action movie plots. Just slapping them into a book isn't a guaranteed success (see most of the Rebirth title pre-Priest), but when things aren't working it's an extremely easy fix. Just get a new writer on board to create some fun plots. Character development in that book isn't one of the priorities, as most of their significant relationships are within their own books (Lois Lane and the Daily Planet staff, Lana, Pete, Supergirl, Alfred, Gordon, the Bat Family, Steve, Etta, Hippolyta, Iris, Carol, etc). And even then, the League has strong friendship ties, so I don't buy the argument that the Titans are superior in that regard. The World' Finest friendship is more prolific than any one dynamic in the Titans franchise, and there is Clark/Diana, Diana/Bruce, Hal/Barry, Ray/Carter, Barry/Ralph, Hal/Ollie, etc.

I would say the Titans as a whole alsoe have pretty iconic friendships, especially if we're reaching past the Fab Five like you're reaching beyond the Big 7.

But I also think you don't really get those friendships in the actual Justice League book much anymore, which is part of the point.