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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Bifrost View Post
    Kory had a relationship with Dick?

    Since The New 52, since Rebirth (still happening), since being in the middle of Metal and The Doomsday Clock, I am so confused about what is true* about these characters that I can't keep track. And Kory's pretty high on that list.

    ("True": by which I mean, what we as readers are meant to believe is part of their history in the current continuity, from the characters' points of view. Yes, I know it's not true; that's just a useful shorthand.)
    From her solo, to Rebirth Nightwing, and the Teen Titans Rebirth issue it's been pretty explicit that she and Dick were in a relationship at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    From her solo, to Rebirth Nightwing, and the Teen Titans Rebirth issue it's been pretty explicit that she and Dick were in a relationship at some point.
    I only read the first few issues of Red Hood & the Outlaws (because I couldn't stomach the way they were portraying her), so I only had that to go on. And the difference between Kory there (and a few other places) and Kory in her solo was so wide I wasn't sure I was reading about the same character.

    But that's just me. I am reading RH & tO now, and mainly enjoying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Bifrost View Post
    I only read the first few issues of Red Hood & the Outlaws (because I couldn't stomach the way they were portraying her), so I only had that to go on. And the difference between Kory there (and a few other places) and Kory in her solo was so wide I wasn't sure I was reading about the same character.

    But that's just me. I am reading RH & tO now, and mainly enjoying it.
    Even in the first few issues of RHATO Kori implies a relationship with Dick. Issue 3, I think, when she gets hurt and calls out for 'R'ichard'
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    The Outlaws book also basically rewrote all of Starfire's important moments with Dick and in place used Roy and Jason too. So there is zero foundation for an important relationship between Starfire and Dick and she should be closer to Roy given he was the one she was sleeping with and dating as she resolved her past and her family problems. Dick wasn't involved in any of that now. Roy and Jason were the ones that helped her.

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    RHatO was pretty much thrown out the widow when it comes to Starfire almost as soon as they took her out of it. So i wouldn't put much stock into it's rewrites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    RHatO was pretty much thrown out the widow when it comes to Starfire almost as soon as they took her out of it. So i wouldn't put much stock into it's rewrites.
    But it is still canon. Starfire and Roy are going to reappear in the new Outlaws book soon I think too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endsong View Post
    Even in the first few issues of RHATO Kori implies a relationship with Dick. Issue 3, I think, when she gets hurt and calls out for 'R'ichard'
    You got me. I lasted two issues of what looked to me like 1970's frat-boy porn fantasies of Kory, lightly covered with "But it's okay 'cause she's an ALIEN!" Maybe it got better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badou View Post
    But it is still canon. Starfire and Roy are going to reappear in the new Outlaws book soon I think too.
    And im sure they'll continue to pretend like it never happened, like they have been doing when it comes to Kory and RHatO since they took her out of it. So what if its canon if its continually ignored and has no real influence on what they do with Starfire going forward, or on how they portray her relationships. RHatO's rewrites have meant nothing outside of RHatO, and i wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon. Hell RHatO doesn't even adhere to its own rewites. Flip flopping with Jason's origin and what have you. Nevertheless DC doesn't seem to care that its canon and Starfire is not portrayed as being closer to Jason or Roy then Dick, regardless of RHatOs rewrites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    And im sure they'll continue to pretend like it never happened, like they have been doing when it comes to Kory and RHatO since they took her out of it. So what if its canon if its continually ignored and has no real influence on what they do with Starfire going forward, or on how they portray her relationships. RHatO's rewrites have meant nothing outside of RHatO, and i wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon. Hell RHatO doesn't even adhere to its own rewites. Flip flopping with Jason's origin and what have you. Nevertheless DC doesn't seem to care that its canon and Starfire is not portrayed as being closer to Jason or Roy then Dick, regardless of RHatOs rewrites.
    Not like Starfire has had many opportunities to interact with Roy and Jason. They are also under different editorial departments now too. She's only been in one issue or so with Roy since Rebirth which was that dreadful Lazarus Contract story and I believe there was a slight reference to them being close. Still, they are going to reappear in Outlaws in Rebirth and I imagine that their past stories will be referenced. So nothing so far has shown those past stories to not have happened. Meaning that it was Roy and Jason that went with Starfire to help sort out her past and not Dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrikito View Post

    I think that BBxRaven is the perfect relationship for both characters...
    I think she outgrows him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Bifrost View Post
    Kory had a relationship with Dick?

    Since The New 52, since Rebirth (still happening), since being in the middle of Metal and The Doomsday Clock, I am so confused about what is true* about these characters that I can't keep track. And Kory's pretty high on that list.

    ("True": by which I mean, what we as readers are meant to believe is part of their history in the current continuity, from the characters' points of view. Yes, I know it's not true; that's just a useful shorthand.)
    They are basically ignoring everything that happened with Starfire in Red Hood and the Outlaws. Rebirth's biggest flaw is that the writers want to have their cake and eat it too, ignore all the stuff from New 52 that people disliked,keep some of the New 52 stuff people liked(or writers want to push) and bring back stuff from past continuity that was more popular. Unfortunately,this means that certain character relationships and characters get shafted and no one is clear on what happened in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badou View Post
    Not like Starfire has had many opportunities to interact with Roy and Jason. They are also under different editorial departments now too. She's only been in one issue or so with Roy since Rebirth which was that dreadful Lazarus Contract story and I believe there was a slight reference to them being close. Still, they are going to reappear in Outlaws in Rebirth and I imagine that their past stories will be referenced. So nothing so far has shown those past stories to not have happened. Meaning that it was Roy and Jason that went with Starfire to help sort out her past and not Dick.
    She's had as many opportunities to interact with Roy and Jason as she had with Dick, who is also under a different editorial department, but it wasn't Roy or Jason who popped up in her solo and they still reference her relationship with Dick far more then they do her relationship with Roy or Jason, despite RHatO's rewrites. My point isn't that they didn't happened, but that for all intents and purposes outside of RHatO they don't matter when it comes to Starfire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    She's had as many many opportunities to interact with Roy and Jason as she had with Dick, who is also under a different editorial department, but it wasn't Roy or Jason who popped up in her solo and they still reference her relationship with Dick far more then they do her relationship with Roy or Jason, despite RHatO's rewrites. My point isn't that they didn't happened, but that for all intents and purposes outside of RHatO they don't matter when it comes to Starfire.
    I think her relationship with Roy got referenced in the free preview for her solo, but only for one panel to establish they were "taking a break" .

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    I also don't get the the thing where people think she slept with Jason though? Nothing in RHATO showed this, really, at all. I guess there was a hint in the first two issues or so but then we saw it wasn't the case in issue six.
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    Issue one had Jason comment like a frat boy that he slept with her, but then after Starfire's reception they obviously backtracked and did an issue months later showing that it never happen. Though people jumped ship at that point.
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